So you didn't receive $25k for a sub-event at an artfest, and haven't received payment for photography, and Valueplan is lying about paying you that money?
At this point youre either an idiot or english isnt your strong suit. You even quoted me.
"The only thing I was paid for is organizing Hivefest."
Ill just repeat what you quoted. The only thing I was paid for is organizing Hivefest. That is the only thing I was paid for and with that I bought Hive and some HBD and staked it, as seen in my transactions.
That is the only thing I was paid for ever. And that didnt even come from Hive directly but from what was left over from the tickets. So what I was paid didnt even come from the DHF, but thats besides the point.
See. When I received the funds for photography I didnt actually photograph anything. Shocker! Im not a photographer. The funds I received for Bitbasel, Im not actually organizing Bitbasel! The funds I got for Techex, im not actually the organizer of Techex!
I was not paid for any of that.
I know... handling money, making payments for Hive from my personal bank account, dealing with taxes, dealing with contracts, developing pitches, preparing speeches, working on outreach is something that I know I should be paid for and Im glad that you cant wrap your head around someone doing stuff for free for Hive, but in fact, I am doing EVERYTHING for free with no compensation whatsoever.
So again... you are welcome.
So, where it says 'Vibes, Videography', that's false, and the payouts listed totaling $68,998.85 are not accurate and you did not receive those funds?
How is it false if its in my wallet? My personal wallet with explanations for every single transaction?
You quoted me where im saying clearly that im not getting paid for any of this other than Hivefest and claimed Im lying about not getting paid.
Receiving funds in a completely transparent manner visible to everyone and getting paid for something are two very different things.
Make sure to explain the difference between receiving disbursements as compensation for services and being paid to folks that care. I see these funds were disbursed to you as pay for the listed services. I see you claiming it's not pay, that you didn't perform the services Valueplan says it paid you for.
Imagine my incredulity.
Nowhere does it say Valueplan paid me for any service. It says that its money for the stuff listed in the memo.
If it was payment for a service from me, it would say it was payment for a service from me.
Omg, you genuinely believe that all that money went to me personally? 🤣🤣🤣
Not even 1 cent did. I actually lost a 100 bucks on the last funds i received because I had to hurry and pay for the conference and I lost 1700 USD on the conversion that I covered from selling my own tokens that then pumped before I got the money back.
Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money.
Omg, you genuinely believe that all that money went to me personally?
To be honest, some of the things that valued-customer points out - sound totally reasonable and plausible - for a random reader that just shows up, has no idea about the plot&history&origins, reads (sic!) what one or other side writes now, and well, yeah, that transfer to that account definitely can look like - a transfer to that account. Money sent, money received, why/when/what happens next is kinda secondary ... to an ignorant reader.
I can totally understand how someone can be angry, or at least, have their curiosity piqued, seeing this transfer.
But after actually reading what you wrote.. Yeah, I see your point too. I was there too. I mean, in this kind of situations. I was accused by neighoburs of defrauding money that were pooled up for a shared goal, while in fact it was all spent, and I still had a little box with cents and dimes of change left after, and I also silently added some cash to the pool "for the good of all". My personal time and literal manual labor (that they all saw) spent on that not even counted in as a "cost" of the project. And in the result and had to fight off accusations for a few weeks, because angry mob grew faster than one me explaining and countering arguments. I bet some of them still remember me as a fraud despite whatever proofs I showed them.
Fun fact - my dad had exactly the same thing, with their parents, 15-20 years earlier. At least twice, in two separate projects to improve residential infrastructure around us.
Seems times change, people change, but people's mentality doesn't, eh?
One thing that I learned from that is, if you ever receive any funds and perform anything for "charity", "common good", or whatever similar, have a goddamn blunt clear invoices for everything. If you care about your own "reputation" that is.
If "angry mob" gathers, won't look at them, because it's not the point. The point is to be angry and to have a target and to meet in a crowd or to feel included with a group.
Have it all gathered, catagorized, tallied up in a spreadsheet. Over half of the complainers won't read anything other than final in-out amounts, if they even take a look at all. Post it in public and tell it's all there, that they can inspect and check, and that they can sue you if they want, because it's all good.
Now magically complaints disappear. Everyone assumes "others were angry, they will check". And probably noone does. Or if someone does, does it really good, revealing all the holes in what I/you/one thought was transparent and clear. Eh.
OTOH, heh, I think I'm still a bit grumpy about that event after all those years :) But I think if back then I really did what I just wrote, I'd have much less problems. But then, with the amount of work I have already spent, I'm not sure I'd be willing to add more work to improve the documentation&transparency just in case someone might question something.. but in turn, doing so, might jsut be the reasonable self-preservation instict
Receipts would really answer the questions. What makes me angry is both of them refuse to provide any such receipts.
Then they call me names and say I'm a conspiracy theorist.
Sounds like they're concealing fraud to me. As you point out, it would be easy enough to prove they aren't, and that's all I have asked for them to do.
If only all projects would be as transparen as we are.
We used a seperate account for funds so it's fast to find and see and you don't have to look for a transaction for a month and also posted all the receipts in our posts.
Like here in this article we showed what we paid and there are more receipts in other of our articles: https://ecency.com/hive-186377/@cbrsphilanthropy/helping-a-school-in-venezuela-272130e9293f
"Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money."
After telling me:
"...I received the funds for photography I didnt actually photograph anything. Shocker! Im not a photographer. The funds I received for Bitbasel, Im not actually organizing Bitbasel! The funds I got for Techex, im not actually the organizer of Techex!"
"My personal wallet..."
"Omg, you genuinely believe that all that money went to me personally?"
"Not even 1 cent did."
So, you're telling me they just gave you money, but that I'm deluded for believing you when you tell me they just gave you money personally, but that you didn't even receive 1 cent personally.
You received all that money personally, in your personal wallet. You originally claimed you were paid for organizing Hivefest, but now you're saying you lost $100. Are you surprised that these contradictory claims aren't credible? What would you think reading them?
What would you think reading them?
Considering I actually can think, it would be very clear to me.
Receiving the funds to pay for stuff thats listed in the memo and getting paid for stuff personally are two very different things.
Ok, so I looked. I don't see any payments to any photographers, or to any event host.
What did you do with the money?
You do seem to be thinking on your feet here. I've got to hand you that. Despite your contradictory statements, and occasional ad hominems flung at me, you demonstrate a capacious ability to switch stories rapidly, and with great conviction.
However, I see that you are claiming you personally received that money and then paid it to others, so I'm looking. We'll see if you did or not. Instead of just stating that out front, you said you never got paid any money personally, despite ~70k being sent to your account.
You could just be an inchoate, lying asshole instead of a thief, but I'll never find that out from anything you say. Just talking about you talking is confusing. I'll have to see if ~70k was disbursed from your account last month.
You're misreading what he's saying. He's saying his role is to take the funds and pay them to a vendor. If he gets a transfer that reads "photography" in the memo, that doesn't mean he's the photographer. He is the person who takes that money and pays the photographer. Same goes for Hive merch. He's not sitting there sewing shirts, he's buying them and paying the manufacturer. He's a volunteer, like all the others.
He didn't say that out front. It took him hours and hours to grudgingly get around to saying that. What he said originally was that he didn't get paid, and lo and behold there's ~70k paid into his account.
What a fucking clusterfuck. You assholes are going to get the State Department seizing the DHF if you don't start following some rational accounting procedures. Then you can beg them to look at receipts while wearing an orange jumpsuit in Gitmo.
@lordbutterfly has received substantial payment he has falsely claimed he did not.
@lordbutterfly is lying about some of the largest disbursements Valueplan makes.
I wonder how the fucking hell anyone can imagine that you didn't get a big chunk of those $68,998.85 as "payment of personal fees" when it is not clearly specified in the memo that way?
¿Do you suppose people have to be soothsayers?
What you and Valueplan have to do is show to the community each and every receipt of what those funds were spent on, and see how much of those $69k was missing or how much was surplus and how many of those funds were reimbursed and only then we can be able to confirm whether it is true that not a single cent of those funds went to end up to your own pocket/wallet as you exclaim.
Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money.
Obviously everyone would feel this deluded unless you or Valueplan show the receipts and prove otherwise.
What is perfectly clear is that Valueplan sent $69k directly to your personal wallet and we still don't know how much, in what and how it was invested/wasted.
Of course. You always get a receipt. What you may not always get is a formal invoice unless you ask for one. But a receipt is always there, especially when you pay by card.