— VerifyYourBrain

antisocialist in #hive-195212 • last year

Man, I have waited a long time for you to give them sources.
That happened a few weeks before I got signed on as a true belieber.
That fog took a while to clear and when it did, I had to wait to today to get clarity on something that I knew wasn't setting right with the part of the story I witnessed.

Plenty of pirates in this story.
Let's hope the control freaks among them sell into the rise.
I really didn't become aware of abit and smooth until the whale experiment.
Too bad those days are never to happen again.
Life in the pool would be very different with a 1000mv limit on voting.

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baah last year

There was a suggestion floating by @demotruk of nullifying stake, I think for the sake of gamifying it we should make it so that for every amount over the limit, all such delegations should penalize bad actors with a sizeable burn, make it inverse and possible to delete all stake by first full powerdown, let the games begin, whale experiments, hopefully the peg holds, and I think to make it even more interesting, pay to post, like blurt, no more spam, and of course keep the downvote for the downsvoters and self voting, and do away with RC all together. O wait, 95% of traffic is for a card game that functions off RC. Content is dead. Long live content!

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antisocialist last year

I wouldn't favor any proposals that weren't the whales exercising self control.
They should recognize the damage they do, and behave accordingly.

This is why it is important for the crowd to speak up.
That way the greedy among them can be publicly recognized and given the respect they deserve.

It's much better than when we joined?

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baah last year

This game is built on greed, the only language they understand is loss, the most effective loss is in their stake, forcing them to hold onto stake or lose substantially if they power down is forcing them to dialogue, to make amends for their abuse, if they wish to take their hive out, or their vote mean anything, though I suspect none of the whales will forgo curation rewards for negating these bad faith actors because of the greed.

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antisocialist last year

They have played according to the rules in place at the time, forcing our will onto them would make us no better than them.
They took advantage, we would be taking advantage.

Better, imo, to shame them.
Then, they may have money, but they get no love.
How will they feel when their rep goes negative?
Less omnipotent, I'm sure.

Greedy people gonna greed, it's just in their nature.
We don't have to surrender the high ground by forcing them.
They know their greed harms the tribe, and by extension, themselves.
Being efficiently greedy is a lot of work.

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baah last year

This was always a risk, exactly like Justin, with ill gotten gains to be cancelled, on steem it was understood that consensus is king, on hive it was expressed as the very first principle, consensus is king. I would be happy to see what you base your idea on that shaming them is effective when they show no shame by their flagging. There's no fighting abuse to hide behind, it's simply relentless punishment.

It serves for them to control the pool by driving people away, which is something that ought to be punished. If you leverage your stake to punish, others should effortlessly be allowed to punish you, shaming would be nice, if it had any chance of being heard, but I bet they'll hear power down and gtfo much more clearly and since that's their entire thesis it'll be that much more deserving. This was always the issue, without a way to deal with bad faith actors swiftly they brain drain trying to "reach" them, at least if some whale that cared about this could begin an effective end to it with such a tool. It's long past time to do something about it, scrap RC, make transactions cost steem, nullify stake and every % over that effectively diminish the power down potential and burn the difference with no max cap making it into another prisoners dilemma where the consensus can form to banish you or make you into an impotent thorn.

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erh.germany last year

I am not sure that the theory is true that punishment is the only thing a punisher understands. Since "being punished" seems to be something that every human being deeply abhors. While punishment may be effective in getting someone to shut up or back down, it probably does not achieve an understanding of one's shortcomings. The reactions I recognise to punishment are stubbornness, obstinacy, helplessness, victim mentality.

The question of where a punished person turns to and on whom they take out their punishment, which they perceive as unjust, is rarely asked. A punished person may be chased off the field, but that does not mean he is out of the game of life.

Humility, which is supposed to be a consequence of punishment, is this something that can be observed? The punishers who receive much praise and prize fall for flattery, that is true, they may think it is love.
But because it is not love, and everyone knows that too, the gloating is only a very short-lived moment that glosses over the fact that everyone loses.
Beneath the righteous surface there is another field that knows about the loss.

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baah last year

Every action has consequences, punishment for punishing people is very poetic and deserved. Considering how many have been chased away by these petty tinpot dictators I wouldn't give them a second thought of "how they respond". I for one believe it will be ineffective and instead turn into another tool used against the community by these faggots, but then there's not gonna be any more allusion that this place is a "community".

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erh.germany last year

Every action has consequences

True.

I don't think that this place is a community as a whole. But that there are a number of interest groups here who enjoy a certain topic and exchange ideas about it. The garden people, for example, or other subject-specific groups who want to give each other tips for their hobbies or show their latest results. Nothing earth-shattering, but useful, depending on the perspective. Whereas I think that the quality of the contributions overall does not provide enough meat to really be a fund of valuable knowledge transfers. But if you lower your standards, you might find some things, I have received good book tips from some of the users here or sources that I could follow up with interest, but I have to say that the search function on the hive frontend is very poor. What I find most problematic is the seven-day window, as it affects users' habit of not looking at older posts, and monetisation of past publications remains forever impossible, unlike on yt, for example.
I had once suggested re-posting your own posts that you think are of high quality and received too little attention, but there were divided views on this and generally there is too much fear that you would be downvoted because of it.
The whole place suffers from too much superficiality if you ask me. But there's no cure for that anyway, so it's pointless to complain about it.

Anyway, I for one would be bummed if the place would close down. I have published many articles which I consider to be valuable. I often thought of saving them somewhere but never did as they are so many now.
Would you like to see this place shut down?

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