Should The HBD In The DHF Be Excluded From The Hive Virtual Supply? | Pro and Cons

in #hbd2 years ago

The HBD in the DHF keeps growing increasing its impact on the overall hive tokenomics.

Why this matters?
Few things actually, the virtual supply, the hive market cap, the debt, and the hive inflation!
Overall, it has a big impact. Lets go trough the main points here and discuss it a bit.

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The HBD in the DHF is already excluded from the debt calculations, but not excluded from the virtual supply. The HBD in the DHF is not available freely on the market until it leaves the @hive.fund account. The impact on the debt is huge and if it was included, we will already be above the debt limit and the blockchain will value HBD less than a dollar.
This was recognized early on and was fixed. But the HBD in the DHF still remains as a part of the virtual hive supply.

This is a pro when it comes to calculating the hive market cap and ranking it on the coins aggregators like coinmarket cap (CMC) and coingecko. Although coingecko is not working with the hive virtual supply when calculating the market cap and because of this the hive rankings on CMC and coingecko are different. I'm not totally sure how coingecko takes the supply for hive.

Inflation

This is where the HBD in the DHF has a real impact on hive tokenomics. In terms of percent there is no impact, but it has in the absolute numbers for new hive issued.
Here is the formula for new hive created per block:

new_hive = ( ( virtual_supply * current_inflation_rate ) / ( 10000 * BLOCKS_PER_YEAR ) )*100

As mentioned the above is HIVE per block. To get the daily amount we multiply this with the numbers of blocks in a day, 28800. One Hive block is created every three seconds. This number can vary slightly depending on how many blocks were actually created in the day but is around that number.

As we can see the new hive entering circulation is a function from the inflation in percentage and the virtual supply.
The virtual supply is a base for calculating the absolute hive inflation. Now the thing is, the virtual supply is changing and fluctuating a lot depending on the hive price. A reminder that the virtual supply is a sum of the hive supply and the HBD supply converted to hive at the current feed price for hive. When the hive price drops the amount of hive that can be converted from HBD increases and the opposite, when the hive price increases the amount of hive that can be converted from HBD decreases.

Here is the chart for the virtual supply in the last period.

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The chart above includes the base HIVE supply and the virtual one from HBD added on the top with the light color. The lowest the total HIVE supply has been is December 1st with around 377M HIVE in total, while the highest is these days reaching 450M at one point.

Going from 377M to 450M in six months. This is almost a 20% change in the supply. Meanwhile in the same period the actual hive supply has increased from 368M to 385M, or a 4.6% increase. Quite the difference between the two types of supply. Note that the numbers are max and min and they can change fast, especially for the virtual supply.

The virtual hive supply from HBD only chart looks like this.

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We can see that it oscillate a lot with the numbers as low as 10M HIVE only in April and December 2021 and more than 60M these days. A six time change in the supply in the short period of time.

How does the virtual hive supply affect inflation?

If we take a look at the daily hive created in absolute numbers at the top and the bottom of the virtual supply from the above we get this.

• December 1st 2021 – 76k HIVE daily
• June 21st, 2022 – 88k HIVE daily

Note that this is HIVE equivalent, because not all the HIVE is paid as HIVE but DHF and 50% of the authors rewards are paid in HBD. The HIVE inflation only is 56k and 65k, min and max.

The change from 76k to 88k is an increase of 16% in the HIVE inflation.
This change is only because of the change of the base, the virtual hive supply. The percent for the HIVE supply in the period has actually went down from 7.4% to 7.2% so it has helped a bit.

A 16% change in the inflation is not a small number at all. If we consider that out of the 24.6M HBD in total, 16.8M is in the DHF, that accounts for 68% of the HBD supply, and the same impact in this additional inflation.

If the HBD in the DHF was excluded from the virtual supply, on June 21, 2022 we will have a total of 407M virtual HIVE supply, instead of the 450M. With the base of 407M virtual hive supply, the daily hive inflation will be 80k instead of the 88k. A reduction in the absolute hive inflation of 8k per day, 240k per month and 2.8M per year. Now the monthly and the yearly numbers will be a bit different, since the hive price will be changing all the time and so does the virtual supply, but it is a good example to show of how much additional inflation the HBD in the DHF adds.

The HBD in the DHF will keep growing and so does its impact

As already mentioned, the HBD in the DHF keeps growing. A one year ago the HBD balance in the DHF was at 4M HBD. Now is almost 17M. A 13M added in a year.
There are multiple source now that adds HBD. The conversion of the ninja mined hive in HBD has been dominant in the last two years. This will continue for three more years as there is still 61M HIVE in the DHF. The @hbdstabilizer has also been growing the DHF adding more than 1M. At the end there is the regular inflation, a 10% share of it, that goes towards the DHF.

Even as it is now the impact from the HBD in the DHF is already significant.
When this amount double and triples in a few years time so will the impact on inflation. The HBD in the DHF will probably reach more than 50M HBD in three years time. Imagen the absolute hive inflation changing double because of it. For example, instead of 40k hive per day we get 80k. That is just too much. Again, to point out one more time, the HBD in the DHF is not available freely on the market. Nobody can come and buy it! It can only leave that account when a proposal is approved.

This is the case for the @hbdstabilizer as well, that is now handling massive amounts per day, but only because it is voted from the stakeholders. Even then, only 1% of the DHF is available to be paid per day, again limiting the availability of the HBD in the DHF.

The HBD in the DHF is for sure to grow but the freely available HBD goes up and down

If we take a look at the freely available HBD its supply has been going up and down.

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The blue line is the HBD in the DHF, while the orange is the freely available HBD.*

HBD on the open market is adjusting its supply according to the market conditions. When the price of hive goes up so does the HBD supply and the opposite. What this means is that the freely available HBD can have limited impact on the virtual supply, unlike the HBD in the DHF that is guaranteed to increase in supply as time progresses and it will keep increasing its impact on the virtual supply and the hive inflation.

The regular HIVE inflation will continue to decrease, both in percent and in absolute numbers

First the inflation in percentage term.

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This chart is mostly know, as the inflation is set to go down 0.5% each year, reaching 1.5% in 2035 and stays at that level.
The numbers here keeps going down.

The chart in absolute HIVE numbers looks like this.

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In absolute numbers, the hive inflation goes up until 2021 to 27M, and then it keeps decreasing to 10M In 2035.
The HBD <-> HIVE conversions are distorting the regular inflation this data as we have seen from the past, and from the monthly reports on the HIVE inflation.

Final thoughts

From all the above it seems that it is better to exclude the HBD in the DHF from the virtual hive supply as it has been done for the debt. The con is that this can decrease the hive market cap, but as we can see one of the aggregators is already doing its own calculations. This is of a small importance and only a temporary thing as crypto prices are so volatile, 10% less supply or so, doesn’t count as much. On the other hand, we will be stabilizing the inflation further and improving an important metric the hive tokenomics.
Any discussions and thoughts are welcomed in the comments.

All the best
@dalz

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I think it should be included to be on the more conservative / safe side and to have a more honest look at the debt ratio. After all the HBD from the DHF pool is also continuously spent for DHF proposals.

Oh so you think it should be included in both of the calculations, debt and virtual supply. That can be an issue for the debt level.

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I'd exclude either both the HBD and HIVE in DHF or neither. There is reasonable precedent to go either way. Status quo and not making unnecessary consensus changes leans toward leaving it alone. Doesn't seem that important.

Debt is a bit different because it depends on the conversion operation which is impossible within DHF.

Also I don't think it is a given/certainty that HBD in DHF will grow. It depends how fast it is spent. For now we haven't been spending it very fast (stabilizer which gives it back doesn't really count as spending), but that's a stakeholder voting issue, not inherent.

is MC calculated with it? I mean the total?

If yes, a change could have a dramatic impact.

Yes...

On the other hand it's not that bad. with 1 Billion hive virtual we come top 100 easy :P

The HIVE part will resolve itself after few years when the ninja mine conversions will end, while the HBD will most likely keeps growing, at least with big certanty untill the HIVE conversions in the DHF are happening.

The HBD supply in the DHF doesnt follow the market conditions as the regular HBD and as we can see it affects the inflation quite a lot.

Another argument for including it will be that it was HIVE in the first place, now we are reducing the HIVE supply with the conversions in the DHF, but when it is in a HIVE form it follows the HIVE price and doesnt expand or contract the virtual hive supply as HBD.

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If the main concern is the Hive inflation, then perhaps the formula for how it is calculated can be changed so that it doesn't count HBD in the Decentralized Hive Fund.

so that it doesn't count HBD in the Decentralized Hive Fund

It should reduce both HBD and HIVE, probably. I like your idea. Virtual supply stays the same, inflation formula discards DHF.

That is the idea

Great stats Dalz!

Tnx man!
Any opinion on the subject :)

I think it wouldn't comply with IFRS if you didn't include the figures.

Hive inflation is not fixed. With the existence of the HBD short contract to hive that does not cause demand in any way, inflation is infinite.

Sounds fuddish :D

But hive will be created out of the HBD contract itself in a bear.

and a Bull creates much HBD. With the cap of potential abuse.

Changing the numbers behind, that can affect conversations can have a dramatic impact.

End of the year, we should again critic look at HBD and think about if its worth to have it or not.

based and bigbrained comment right here boys.

Overall I still think it is a good idea to have it. Yes it expands and contracts the supply but it is also very handy to pay devs with.

Crazy idea,

What if we remove HBD and instead create a smart contract for Tether.

If Tether goes to zero, hive would anyway loss massive in value.

The upside is we would offer them free transactions and real retail use.

Hive would profit more of it than Tether.

And we remove all risks involved in HBD. With a deep Stablecoin pool, it would not matter devs get paid in Hive or Stablecoin, as long the evaluation is in $.

Or/and make a option for privacy stablecoin onchain. Would be massive and open up new ways.

Like HBD/Hive update. Also, cool for the liquid hive.

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