πŸ“ {02/07/24} ✦ "What if my favorite website disappears tomorrow?" βŒ› πŸŒƒ ✦ πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Έ β”‚ πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

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✦ Investing valuable time that you will never get back on a site that could disappear at any moment? I don't know doctor - Collage made with FotoJet, editing made with Snow, photos by @Tesmoforia ✦

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Έ ~ Últimamente pienso que las personas que invierten tanto tiempo y esfuerzo en "sus redes" (perfiles y feeds de empresas propias, negocios, emprendimientos, marcas personales) son realmente valientes.

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ ~ Lately I think that people who invest so much time and effort in "their networks" (profiles and feeds of their own companies, businesses, ventures, personal brands) are really brave.

✦ Today I do indeed feel the date on which I was born ✦

ΒΏPor quΓ© valientes?, bueno, estos dΓ­as medito mucho sobre quΓ© pasarΓ­a si decido invertir mis recursos -con seriedad- en "crecer" en alguna red social convencional (fb, x, instagram) y eso me transporta inmediatamente a la experiencia de metroflog, fotolog, grupos msn, y blogs de myspace.

Why brave? Well, these days I meditate a lot on what would happen if I decide to invest my resources -seriously- in "growing" in some conventional social network (fb, x, instagram) and that immediately transports me to the experience of metroflog, fotolog, msn groups, and myspace blogs.

✦ I don't even want to count the years that have passed since then hahaha ~ ✦

BΓ‘sicamente aquellos sitios de internet eran muestras prematuras de lo que serΓ­an hoy las redes sociales. Unos eran bitΓ‘coras fotogrΓ‘ficas con interacciones limitadas, otros eran espacios de blogueo personalizables, pero todos compartΓ­an la misma caracterΓ­stica de mostrar una ficha personal sobre ti (quien eres, cuΓ‘les son tus gustos musicales, cuΓ‘les son tus cosas favoritas, cuΓ‘l es tu estΓ©tica) y hacerte sentir especial.

Basically those websites were early samples of what today's social networks would be. Some were photo logs with limited interactions, others were customizable blogging spaces, but they all shared the same characteristic of showing a personal profile of you (who you are, what your musical tastes are, what your favorite things are, what your aesthetics are) and making you feel special.

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✦ It has been very very hard to find graphic archives or other bloggers talking about this! It's almost as if the screenshots of those spaces have disappeared... this is the most decent and organic note I could get, I highly recommend you to read it ✦

Los que fuimos niΓ±os o adolescentes con acceso a internet en esa Γ©poca seguro no creΓ­mos que la vida de estos sitios fuera finita,,, o digamos en una forma menos glamorosa, nunca pensamos que cerrarΓ­an. Seguro que sentimos que seria para siempre y por eso invertimos tanto tiempo en aprender a editar imΓ‘genes, en conceptos de HTML y largas tardes buscando la plantilla o "layout" perfecto. De hecho, en foros podΓ­as encargar algunos elementos a personas que ofrecΓ­an trabajos grΓ‘ficos y de ediciΓ³n de manera gratuita (principalmente banners y firmas).

Those of us who were children or teenagers with access to the Internet at that time surely did not believe that the life of these sites was finite... or let's say in a less glamorous way, we never thought they would close down, we surely felt that it would be forever and that's why we invested so much time in learning to edit images, HTML concepts and long afternoons looking for the perfect template or layout, In fact, in forums you could order some elements from people who offered graphic and editing work for free (mainly banners and signatures).

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✦ These graphics are very much of the time, although these are quite simple (no offense to the artist just in case) ✦

Cuando pienso en invertir mi tiempo y recursos en "crecer en nΓΊmeros" en redes sociales comunes, tengo muy presente que puede pasar exactamente lo mismo que pasΓ³ con esos amados sitios: Nada es seguro, no depende de ti su estabilidad, no es tuyo ese espacio y en cualquier momento puede ser bloqueado, modificado, alterado o desaparecido.

When I think about investing my time and resources in "growing in numbers" in common social networks, I keep in mind that exactly the same thing that happened with those beloved sites can happen: Nothing is safe, its stability does not depend on you, it is not yours that space and at any moment it can be blocked, modified, altered or disappear.

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✦ As I mentioned, there were thematic pages for specific series. I also remember that the choice of the name was very important and you always wanted it to be half Japanese ✦

Es muy triste cuando piensas en todas las comunidades y grupos de amigos que se formaron en ese tiempo en foros no solo estΓ©ticamente sino logΓ­sticamente bien organizados, y que ya no existen (hay, los contactos perdidos); especialmente en los que eran de temΓ‘tica geek o otaku, donde habΓ­a un dueΓ±o, moderadores, editores, artistas, escritores, traductores... todos colaborando para que sus pΓ‘ginas fueran verdaderos altares de la serie o personaje al que eran dedicados. ExtraΓ±o mucho los grupos o pΓ‘ginas temΓ‘ticos (por ejemplo, tenΓ­as grupos exclusivos de una sola serie de anime, o de un solo personaje, o de un solo mangaka o grupo musical, y todos estaban en constante actualizaciΓ³n y mejora... vamos, imagina una wikipedia moderada por un grupo grande de "true fans" hace 20 aΓ±os).

It is very sad when you think of all the communities and groups of friends that were formed at that time in forums not only aesthetically but logistically well organized, and that no longer exist (there are, the lost contacts); especially in those that were geek or otaku themed, where there was an owner, moderators, editors, artists, writers, translators... all collaborating so that their pages were true altars of the series or character to which they were dedicated. I really miss the thematic groups or pages (for example, you had exclusive groups of a single anime series, or of a single character, or of a single mangaka or musical group, and all of them were constantly updated and improved... come on, imagine a wikipedia moderated by a large group of "true fans" 20 years ago).

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✦ I especially remember a forum with a huge community called Hane No Akari, it was the last forum where I was really active and it was dedicated to CLAMP and TRC manga updates when it was in publication ✦

Incluso, tambien recuerdo cuando FB no tenΓ­a algoritmos. Cuando el contenido que publicabas se mostraba en el feed a tus seguidores en el orden cronolΓ³gico con que publicabas. Y cuando eso cambiΓ³ y solo un micro porcentaje de tu audiencia verΓ­a de forma orgΓ‘nica tus actualizaciones, vaya, fue muy duro ver cuentas de miles o millones de seguidores (en el caso de los cosplayers mΓ‘s icΓ³nicos de ese momento) no llegar ni a los 100 comentarios en sus publicaciones, cuando antes llegaban fΓ‘cilmente a 3.000 o muchos mΓ‘s.

I also remember when FB didn't have algorithms, when the content you posted was shown in the feed to your followers in the chronological order you posted, and when that changed and only a micro percentage of your audience would organically see your updates, wow, it was really hard to see accounts with thousands or millions of followers (in the case of the most iconic cosplayers at the time) not even reach 100 comments on their posts, when before they easily reached 3,000 or many more.

✦ I express it with humor but I have the certainty that Blackrock wants us sick to keep making $$$ ✦

Estoy convencida y no por opinion conspiranΓ³ica o hater, que las redes sociales convencionales hoy dΓ­a no estan diseΓ±adas para ayudarnos, ni para hacernos felices ni para traernos bienestar. Los algoritmos no satisfacen las necesidades mΓ‘s bΓ‘sicas que se supone deberΓ­a cubrir "una red social", y su manera de comportarse es para generar sensaciones y sentimientos de inquietud, y ni quΓ© decir de la retenciΓ³n de la atenciΓ³n (ya bien dice el dicho que cuando llegas a un sitios y te ofrecen algo gratis, es porque tΓΊ eres el producto).

I am convinced, and not by conspiracy or hater opinion, that conventional social networks today are not designed to help us, nor to make us happy nor to bring us well-being. The algorithms do not satisfy the most basic needs that "a social network" is supposed to cover, and their way of behaving is to generate sensations and feelings of uneasiness, not to mention the retention of attention (as the saying goes that when you get to a site and they offer you something for free, it is because you are the product).

✦ Basically my brain at the end of the day when I crumble this topic that I don't want to go back to but I go back xD ✦

Pero volviendo al tΓ³pico de construir: Es muy posible que todo lo que trabajaste o estes trabajando por ejemplo, en tu Instagram, pueda desaparecer el dΓ­a de maΓ±ana, es una posibilidad, no una suposiciΓ³n. Y esa experiencia que ya vivΓ­ en los foros, perfiles y webs perdidos me hace colocar las cosas sobre la mesa y sopesar mis ideas (de planes para "crecer") con estoica lupa.

But back to the topic of building: It is very possible that everything you worked or are working on, for example, in your Instagram, may disappear tomorrow, it is a possibility, not an assumption. And that experience I already lived in forums, profiles and lost websites makes me place things on the table and weigh my ideas (of plans to "grow") with stoic magnifying glass.

✦ "Now reality is an escape from the Internet" ✦

Veo con admiraciΓ³n (pero tambiΓ©n cautela) este salto de fe que dan muchos, en invertir en cursos de marketing, en fotografΓ­a profesional, en las largas horas de ediciΓ³n y en esos bonitos programas de publicaciΓ³n cazando el pico de la curva de esta o aquella audiencia, sabiendo que no hay ninguna garantΓ­a de que ese castillo tan amorosamente construido (seguramente con muchas lΓ‘grimas y noches de desvelo a cuesta) siga existiendo maΓ±ana como lo conoces.

I view with admiration (but also caution) this leap of faith that many take, investing in marketing courses, in professional photography, in the long hours of editing and in those beautiful publishing programs hunting the peak of the curve of this or that audience, knowing that there is no guarantee that this castle so lovingly built (surely with many tears and sleepless nights at the cost) will continue to exist tomorrow as you know it.

Cada vez que pienso que deberΓ­a tomarme una temporada para "profesionalizar mi perfil de instagram o x" regreso sin quererlo a este "hoyo de mel" mental, y veo al vacΓ­o con temor de que todo el esfuerzo que invierta se pierda por el capricho de la economΓ­a o algΓΊn tercero al otro lado del planeta; o quizΓ‘ la respuesta sea eso, ΒΏdar un salto de fΓ© y disfrutar del viaje lo que sea que vaya a durar?, hoy mientras descanso mis manos y mi espalda me he puesto nostΓ‘lgica a tachar cosas de la agenda, y reconsiderar pequeΓ±os task que siempre termino posponiendo.

Every time I think I should take a season to "professionalize my instagram profile or x" I unwittingly return to this mental "mel hole", and look into the void with fear that all the effort I invest will be lost at the whim of the economy or some third party on the other side of the planet; or maybe the answer is that, take a leap of faith and enjoy the journey however long it's going to last? Today while resting my hands and my back I have been nostalgic to cross things off the agenda, and reconsider small tasks that I always end up postponing.

De la reflexiΓ³n de hoy concluyo que aunque queramos seguridad es imposible tener certeza sobre algo, sobre todo de lo centralizado, de lo prestado, de los sitios donde somos visita. La presencia digital es menester pues "si no estΓ‘s en internet, no existes" dicen ahora, pero yo me pregunto cΓ³mo lidiar con la incertidumbre de no perder aquello en lo que hayas trabajo, y no quedarte estancada en el camino, sobre todo cuando eres artista, tienes un proyecto de vida por compartir o una audiencia a la que llegar.

From today's reflection I conclude that even if we want security, it is impossible to be certain about anything, especially about what is centralized, what is borrowed, about the sites where we are visited. The digital presence is necessary because "if you are not on the internet, you don't exist" they say now, but I wonder how to deal with the uncertainty of not losing what you have worked on, and not getting stuck on the way, especially when you are an artist, you have a life project to share or an audience to reach.



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Such an interesting outlook. Reading this I was reminded of the RPG sites I spent a lot of time writing stories for, and of course the hours spent curating my FB page 😹. Ultimately I see it all as a practice in creativity and nothing was truly wasted.

This also motivates me to make physical copies of my online art & writing by transforming them into fanzines.

Btw, I like the mel's hole reference! Such an odd phenomenon!!

I am pleasantly surprised to read all this! You were or are a roleplayer? I'm very nostalgic about the topic of the roleplay rooms in those years, although I always preferred to roleplay in private chats on MSN and Skype (before the wonder of Discord).

I think you are absolutely right in your approach to the physical copies, I regret the loss of so many stories and lores, hours and hours of shared writing to which I no longer have access ; u ;

This sentence here comforts my heart a lot: "Ultimately I see it all as a practice in creativity and nothing was truly wasted" I love how your perspective on things and situations is always so different and sensitive πŸ¦‹ πŸ’•