Quality is King... Long live the Jester?

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Since the first minute we get onboarded to Hive, we're told that High Quality content is key. We are not told what exactly is high quality, and we're also pointed to some guidelines or advice publications and whatnot.

The reason for this whole quality narrative is because back in 2016 the goals of the whales was to have a nice, flooded with quality - and cute chicks - front page. That way any potential new user who stumbled upon steemit would definitely stick around. I mean, look at all this amazing content and these huge payouts! I will stick around and make content as good as these and get big paydays as well!

And thus, steemit, and by extension Hive, was doomed from inception.

This is what happens when you get developer minds to come up with game theory and business decisions. That's why Dan Larimer makes for a great CTO and not a CEO.

This is the same reason why so many Cryptocurrency projects and endeavors fail miserably. Because the way most crypto projects work is High stake or Tech knowledge = influence in governance.

And that's how you end up with unstable clowns like Bernie Sanders or business illiterates like Transisto having so much influence in the platform. I also want to mention a bunch of dev minded people who have way too much influence in governance but that do not know anything about how to run a successful business, but I would turn this informative, opinionated post into a rant.

Doomed from inception

High quality content doesn't attract Traffic. SEO content, marketing and promotion attracts traffic either organically or synthetically. If the whole purpose of curating quality content has been so engraved on the social media side of Hive, then why hasn't there been any real attempts at monetizing that traffic?

High quality content on Hive is King.

But we have been praying to the wrong altar, frens.

High quality content will never make people come to Hive. It might make some of the outcasts who like reading something for 15 minutes - which is a species almost extinct - stick around and come back, but if we really want traffic and adoption we have to cater to the masses.

I get it, trends can either be set or followed, and instead of running with the flow we could be the resistance, and become the oasis of long, tedious, quality content for that 1% of the population, or we could adapt and try to attack both worlds.

I've had some conversations with some Hive OGs about this whole microblogging vs long form content issue on Hive and of course there's some mixed opinions, but most of them understand and see the value of microblogging.

Elon sees the value in long form content, which is why they recently allowed long posts to premium accounts - monetizing their platform in the process by the way.

I'm not gonna mention names, it's pointless, but this whole attitude from some OGs against the current trend of content creation seems narrow minded at minimum, man.

Quality content is king, but it is the Jesters, the entertainers, who have any chance at making the social side of Hive go mainstream. We don't need a 1500 word post on how your day was, what you learned and how it translates into the current state of Hive, we more nice faced content creators that upload puppy videos and go viral.

Long form content will not make people come

But it might encourage them to stay.

Think of it in supermarket terms: The first necessity items are always at the back of the warehouse, and you have to go through all the unnecessary but alluring items before you can get to what you actually need. Then at the checkout you have a small section of highly attractive quick grab and get endorphins items. This is not a coincidence, it's meant to work this way to make the average ticket have a higher expense amount.

Supermarkets use low profit margin articles like toilet paper, meat and beans to lure you into the store, and then try to sell you high margin products like toys and candy while you are inside. You will never step into into a huge Walmart knowing you will spend one hour in there because you need a beer, that's why the convenience stores exists, and that's exactly why their profit margins are higher, because you are exchanging price vs speed.

Right now we are treating long form quality content as our meat and beans, when in reality we should be treating short form content like the attraction point, and then try to sell new users the long form content side of Hive.

Sure, it sounds counterintuitive. It sounds more reasonable to have amazing content as our main attraction point and then make users stick around because we have cute cat pics on Threads, but the reality is that the current generation will never fall in love with in a platform that is only long form content, at least not as a first interaction step.

You have to lure them in with small effort interactions and make them love it so much that they explore the other options, and then stay in the platform because of these high quality posts and interactions.

But let's face it, nobody under 30 years old will come to the front page of Hive and see ten long ass posts and say Oh, I love it here, I can spend 2 hours reading miscellaneous stuff!.

The statement above comes once they are already hooked, not as a first reaction.

But I'm already rambling, so, what say you?

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First of all, it's good to see you, I often think about our poker game in Poland and the way you had me totally figured out after about 15 minutes! 🤣 I still need revenge!!

This is what happens when you get developer minds to come up with game theory and business decisions. That's why Dan Larimer makes for a great CTO and not a CEO.

This is what I've been saying for years, but in the end I gave up because every time I pointed out something that was wrong and gave suggestions as how to fix it, I was railed against. Apparently by speaking up it showed that I wasn't community-minded.

Ultimately Hive will never go anywhere because it is leaderless and rudderless. Don't get me wrong, plenty of people will still have a fun old time here, but as far as mass adoption is concerned, you can forget it.

Whilst our fellow nerds and geeks might understand "Hive is more than just a blogging site", Mr and Mrs Joe Public have no freaking idea, so when they come to a site that looks like it was designed in the early 2000s and forgotten about, they shrug and leave, never to come back.

I mean, the fact that the name Hive was chosen in the first place, shows the shortsightedness involved in making such decisions. The first time I searched for Hive blockchain, I came up with a completely different company!

The fact I was able to do this in less than 2 seconds and the person responsible for changing the name from Steemit to Hive, didn't even bother to do a Google search, shows that things are not good.

Anyway, I've accepted that it's not going to change and I just treat Hive as a repository that I occasionally check in with, sometimes write content for and move a bit of Hive/SBD around.

Next time you're in London give me a shout, perhaps we can arrange some poker-chess marathon, although last time I checked your chess content, you had improved by a scary amount 😲

Peace.

Cg

I'm loving the way the layout is now! We can have all the short chats we want without it clogging up the blog feed 🙌

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Are you sure that you are rambling? You are expressing your strong opinion.

I came her for the memes…
That is what most people will say once HIVE goes mainstream.
Will it ever go mainstream though? Sometimes I start to doubt it.

I agree with what you're saying, man. Especially the new generation avoids reading long articles, what is important for them is short term entertainment. Advertising is also a very good idea. I've found out in the past that a lot of people come here because of Facebook ads. Crazy but true.

Are you sure that you are rambling? You are in fact expressing your strong opinion.

I came here for splinterlands and still here cos of it but the content has given me a long-term purpose to continously learn and write.

o.o well gotta follow the meta until it changes. wait til they say short term content is the best i guess :/

I like the metaphor with the supermarket. A study from 80's showed that diapers were at the very entrance of the supermarket as the dads going to purchase them while the mums were busy with the kids could easily find them. AND at the end, close to the paying area, there were beers, so they could grab one to "prize theirselves" for that.

Quality for me, is value expressed in a good way.
And of course it's much arbitrary BUT still, there can be some good guidelines that can be found and defined.

I do understand what you're saying. My attraction to Hive was the fact that there was a place for everybody and no matter your hobbies, you could find a place to share your views. I think microblogging is a wonderful way to attract the masses but would they be able to stay when they know what's needed to create long form content?

People are using facebook, instagram and other sites not because they earn there but they have people, attention and care. If they can get it on hive they would not only earn but they would stay here. So in short life becomes easier when we keep people around by offering them things that make them stay.

👍 👌

Is that short enough??? 😁

Oh wait....

Forgot the cute girls

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How 'm I doin'?
😁 😂 😁

Pretty good I'd say, you're almost ready to become a Tweetstat (if that is even a thing nowadays)

Ha! I'm not ready for much of anything, but I'm learning :-)

Exactly why Leo threads was launched on LeoFinance sitting here on Hive

i say you raise some valid points. Thanks for helping me see deeper.

i'll perhaps be gentler with those who thread "Timecheck: It's 16:42 in my country. What time do you have?" or similar :-)

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I think we need a mix of content, but it has to be original. I don't want a feed full of memes and 'viral' videos, but others will. My interests are not typical. I watch a lot of instructional music videos. We need to get some creators who struggle to make much on YouTube due to being niche interests. They could earn on Hive.

Long content - that's what I do.., and I have done OK. I can only speak for myself!?

I think that Hive needs a better Discovery and Search of content and when the top quality content will surface, than we will see the power of it. Until than, it remains for communities to showcase Trending posts, even if those don't necessary mean Top Quality. Maybe we could invent a new kind of a feed service this purpose.

I think this is why opening up Leofinance to different content, and even changing the name are necessary to make the tent larger.

We need to appeal to a larger base, if we are to grow. And changing what is considered acceptable content is one step in that direction.

As for long versus short, I think Twitter settled the argument look ago about what the market prefers, it is short form.

In fact I think the much higher levels of engagement and activity on Threads confirms it for our captive population.

This is quite a great impression. I believe that the quality driven concept on hive would only keep the younger once but then how will an old man like my Dad who wishes to invest, contribute and also would want ends to meet through this medium cope with the flows of younger competitors out there who can stay put on their gadgets for hours.

I believe that Leo's micro logging interface has proffered a better solution to this issue. God bless their great input and cause all their wishes to materialize. Thanks for such an incredible update to the system.

You beat me to it. I was thinking of writing a post about short form content and how it could be a game changer for hives growth. Back then there was vines and musically. Then theres tiktok, meta and ig rolled out reels. Youtube also now has shorts.

From a personal experience a number of content creators i follow i got to discover thru their 30 second videos, i subscribed to those that interest me and watch their full length videos. I was wondering why we cant have both long and short form to reel people in.

Quality contents are always loved and appreciated. I get bored reading through a content that I've scrolled and scrolled.

Average not too long not too short quality contents. The example you gave of a supermarket is a very nice illustration and should be used religiously.

What about a museum settings where everyone is invited, it's inviting and also everyone hopes to see something that is very attracting and adventurous.

I stand to be corrected. What's your take on this #frens. Not so long High quality content is King! 🧵

#leogrowth #threads

You have said it all, I really want to add more oil to this fire 🔥, but who knows maybe the whales are watching 🙄😱.

Actually, no one read long post again, NO ONE. If you see long post being voted high, it's a community trail or fellow whales friends.
Fun, is the new language of any social media, have fun, make everyone happy, in either 50 words or 100 words, if tiktok could do this in just few years and Hive has been existing since WW 2🤣, with little profit and progress, I think we have to rethink things.

High quality content is all good and dandy but it doesn't generate traffic as you rightfully pointed out. For that to happen at least the following two "rockets" need to be deployed: marketing and sales (e.g. advertising). Big retailers use so called 'frequency' items (from specific brands) such as soft drinks, butter, diapers to lure in buyers. The money is than generated with a proper mix of low, mid and high price items. The pudding is therefore in the mix: microblogging and long from content; content that lures peeps in and content for the 1% 😉

What I find most interesting about Hive so far is the incredible souls one can connect with here. The fact that most of them don't use traditional SM speaks for this web3 ecosystem. Ownership is another key ingredient. And yes, the dev minded aspect is a hurdle as for Hive to go mainstream it needs to become more user friendly and intuitive.

I honestly think the entire social media aspect of Hive is overplayed and won't have anything to do with potential adoption. Eh maybe a little, but everyone putting all focus there seems misplaced.

Hive isn't a business either, even though it certainly would be nice if big players had more business sense. However a lot of that world simply doesn't translate. On a business level Hive has already died and vanished half a dozen times.

Web3 is all about ownership and value creation. People will show up when they can make money. We've seen how toxic and leeching that becomes when the network pays more than the thing is worth. The trick is creating infrastructure that allows users to generate high value for the network.

Long form content is not high value as originally thought, which again is why I always come to the conclusion that social media is secondary.

Getting a lot of users with short form probably won't work either. That's a web2 business model and might get stuck in a web3 bottleneck. Of course it would be great for at least one bull market but the bear would be devastating.

Surely theres more to say but...

This is true that most want precision in a content at the same time some contents need to be long to really instill more values or points in it.
Perhaps people easily loss concentration nowadays.

I reckon we go with the IKEA model, once people enter they can't leave until they've read everything and dumped all their savings into it.

But I dunno, I feel like this business model outlook is pandering too much to the idea that Hive will become some super viral silicon valley BS platform that dominates the news cycles every day.

Hive in its current form of longer content could potentially replace things like Medium, and evolve beyond it. It can be used as an educational access platform, ecommerce, research publication (replace sci-hub) and god know what else.

Not everything has to be TikTok, but that doesn't mean it can't be big. Problem more lies in that I still don't really see a direction, in the same way you would see one in Steemit days with an ambitious CEO at the helm. We can always hope somebody will make a new front end that does this and that, but nobody is making it happen.

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I'll have to say even with me having an above average attention span(compared to my tiktok peers) and not using any social media out there except hive and twitter. I still find it hard to read 10 post consistently on the hot/trending page but with threads - I feel invisible .

Short form will ring them in and long form will make them stay. Hive can be a solution to the decreasing attention span of young adults today because some will be able to find a home in the long form content but it will o my take some time and before that time comes short form can be a safe heaven.

Do you mean you feel invisible because you get no replies on Threads?

I agree, the existence of long form content can help as a resistance point to improve attention spans and all, but it should be the cherry on top, not the cake.

Do you mean you feel invisible because you get no replies on Threads?

Not that, but that's also another factor to consider with threads.
But what I meant is that I don't feel stressed or pressured while threading. I guess the best word to use would be Natural.

Facing facts, it's no coincidence that billions of dollars are transferred on the cheesiest products known to man. There's also a universal truth to the 'starving artist' description. Hive is somewhere in the middle.

The base product of human value transmission in social media is distraction. People don't want education, fact reports, testimonials, or any other boring 'high quality' publication. They want to be distracted from their current emotional state by something that introduces an alternative emotional state that they find engaging.

Hive does have some people that produce quality content that fills the human need to find distraction in life. I personally enjoy stories about the author's personal lives that give the distraction of virtual visitation or involvement in their daily lives, some project they are doing or some occurrence that they wish to share with someone. I'm not interested in things like the loads of reposted news reports and tech articles I have seen recently on LeoThreads. It believe it might garner some attention, but I don't find it to be one of those human distractions that someone would seek to change or enhance their emotional state.

The other issue is the tokenization of Hive. I will say, and it has always been my argument, that value is not created, it is transferred. You can make all the Tokens in the world, but unless someone is willing to transfer their tokens from themselves to another as compensation for a product or service, all you have is a collection of wooden nickels. This also circles around distraction. People are willing to pay for distraction. Games prove this. I'm not talking about curation here, which is where the voters earn from, I'm talking about the missing element of actual providing products and services that provide a value pool that curators get their value from for actually doing the curation in the first place. There needs to be reasons that people wish to BUY the tokens from curators, so the buyers can use them to BUY the products and services they want. And presumably, this is going to end up being products geared to do one thing... offer an alternative emotional state to the current emotional state of the buyer.