Retrospect

in #hive-1679222 years ago

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Hindsight 20/20

It's easy to play the 'what if' game in crypto. What if I had sold the top? What if I had bought the dip? What if I had done it on 10x leverage? What if I had gotten in to that new coin before it mooned? What if I had played that crypto game before it was cool?

Blah blah blah blah blah.

But none of that matters.
No one has a crystal ball.
No one knows what will happen next.
Just because a gamble fails doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.
Just because a gamble succeeds doesn't mean it was smart on average.

Flipping heads ten times in a row doesn't increase or decrease the chance of flipping heads on the next round. Chance acts independently. There are no patterns. Folding pocket aces preflop is never the correct move. Best hand is best hand. 80% chance to win. Those odds can't be beaten with superior play (60% max; 10% edge).

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What happens when many other chains fork out founders?

Bet you didn't see that coming!
This is the real question I'd like to pose for this post.

  • Look at what's happening with the LUNA community.
  • Look at what happened with Steem.
  • People are starting to wake up.

So what happens when say a DOZEN high-profile communities all rise up and say, "We don't have to take this anymore!"? What happens when these centralized agents (development foundations and VCs) that gave themselves huge ninjamines prove that all they are is a liability? What happens when a dozen communities free themselves from that liability with a few swipes of code?

Uh, I'll tell you what happens...

People in crypto are suddenly going to be asking, "Wait, who was the first community to have done this? Who is the farthest ahead in this game of community control?"

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Can you guess my answer?

Steem >> Hive was the very first one (or at least the most prominent first one). We had Vitalik and other prominent members of crypto talking about it on multiple occasions, but still no one took us seriously because our market cap just wasn't big enough to be taken seriously. It is what it is. People ignore the thing until FOMO strikes and then they buy the top and act as exit liquidity for the rest of us. This pattern isn't going to stop happening anytime soon.

Contentious forks are HIGHLY damaging.

Lots of reputation is lost. If communities are running around "stealing" the money from rich people, that's going to cause a lot of dissent in the ranks. All of a sudden people realize that none of the money on the blockchain is secure. Well, it is secure, just not secure for rich people who are bad-actors and are trying to bleed the network dry for everything they can extract out of it.

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The push-pull scenarios

So yeah, it might be a net gain (especially on the long term) to fork out the VCs and the foundation, but also there is a huge price to be paid up front for that action. Reputation is lost. Lots of people are pissed (not just the rich people) because the trust has been lost across the board. People begin to realize the appeal of Bitcoin and how something like this could never happen on Bitcoin.

Speaking of Bitcoin.

What happens if Satoshi Nakamoto pops out of nowhere and starts spending (or simply flaunting) their 10%-20% stake? We already know they own 10% just from premining the network. How do we know they don't have even more on top of that? Isn't it stupid to assume that it's only 10% when it's AT LEAST 10%?

It is in this way that even Hive might be more decentralized than Bitcoin (however unlikely). But also Hive is definitively more decentralized than Bitcoin in terms of the ability to actually distribute it to more people. Despite everyone's bitching and moaning about 'self-upvoting' and 'circle-jerks' and other forms of supposed corruption, Hive's mechanics are serving the greater good.

Every once and a while I'll see that Hive was used to literally provide water (the most important resource to stay alive) to some random place in Africa or Venezuela or whatever else. That's crazy. Hive is small, but it's changing lives. It's going to grow, I guarantee it.

Imagine a 1000x on Hive.

Don't imagine it in the context of getting rich. Imagine it in the context of abundance and power of the community as a whole. Imagine people like me running around with $5000 upvotes, and the whales above me running around with $50,000 upvotes. That's REAL power. That's pure insanity. Imagine all the good that could be done with that much money flying around everywhere.

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No one complains about self-upvotes on AMM farms.

Because on AMM farming, every "upvote" is a self-upvote by design. No one complains about it because there is no confusion. It's working perfectly as intended. Meanwhile over here on Hive we were told tales of "proof-of-brain" and "quality-content" and "fair-distribution". So when someone sees that this isn't exactly how it works (subjective distribution of the token) they call it a scam. Yeah, actually it's working really well. Stop complaining about it.

It only takes one person with a lot of stake upvoting other people with less stake for decentralization to occur. While everyone is focused on the bad-actors and crying about money going to this or that place, we lose sight of the fact that a lot of money is going exactly where it's supposed to go.

If everyone on the network was just self-upvoting and only one whale was actually voting other people, that's still a better solution than something like AMM farms where 100% of the money is "self-upvoted" 100% of the time. We should be measuring success from how far we are away from that scenario, in which case Hive is doing very very very well.

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What was I talking about again?

Right, so forking a network has high overhead cost and does a lot of damage to the network in the short term in the hopes of long term viability. Surely, some networks will opt to not fork out the founders, but then they will find themselves to be pseudo-slaves to VCs and other large stake holders. Eventually a lot of the networks that opted to not fork out this toxicity will end up doing it anyway when the regulators move in and capture the VCs or the foundation. OOPS!

So again I ask, who will everyone be looking at when these community forks begin to pop up like wildfire? They're all going to be looking at Hive. We are way ahead of the game. The fear that everyone has; the one where some random network pops up and blow us out of the water. Yeah, that's not real. That's not possible. Decentralization of wealth, power, tokens, stake, trust, information, and education is not something that can magically appear out of thin air and provided by a new project. We are at least five years ahead of any potential "competitors".

In fact we should hope that "competition" pops up. If they make anything that actually works on a decentralized level, we will simply copy that model and gain that advantage ourselves. Open-source tech doesn't compete, no matter how many VCs tell us otherwise.

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Conclusion

At some point in time the entire world is going to have one of those retrospect moments with Hive. "How didn't we see this coming?" "Why didn't we buy in early?" "Wow that guy bought a huge stack at 10 cents that's insane!"

This is not not financial advice. I'm not saying anyone should buy Hive. I'm saying if you're here then you already made it. Anyone that's already here trying to build up their reputation before this has gone down is going to be a big deal once we start scaling up.

These community forks are going to become very common-theme, and guess what? They are a great thing, but they are also a terrible thing (until enough time has past and the open wound has scarred over). People are going to be looking for the networks that have already forked out the ninjamine so they don't have to deal with the bullshit. Hive has the best track record in that regard. It will all be done in retrospect.

We also have to appreciate the work that @lordbutterfly is doing right now. We are literally using decentralized funding to create a documentary about this exact topic... how insane is that? Seriously though. So well timed.

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FREECHAIN - teaser trailer // Hive Documentary film

@theycallmedan often talks about the milestones we are looking for during this crazy transition from WEB2 to WEB3. People are talking about WEB3 now and the importance of it. People are realizing the importance of owning their own account and data in the wake of all the WEB2 bans and censorship.

Community forks that take away the powers of these centralized agents and VCs looking to subjugate the network are absolutely some of the biggest milestones we are going to see in this regard. The prophecy has been foretold. All that we need to do now is sit back and watch it play out.

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This is a banger of a post and exactly how I think about the future of crypto communities.

I'm sick of reading the endless articles in mainstream media about how 'regulations are coming'... like it actually matters.

Decentralised, open-source, community run tech makes the entire concept mute.

At some point in time the entire world is going to have one of those retrospect moments with Hive. "How didn't we see this coming?"

This.

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Nice post😀

Imagine a 1000x on Hive.

What’s weird about that is that it only sounds a little crazy. Even a much less crazy multiple like 50x would translate into an abundance community with tremendous capacity.

Yes, 1000x like the Bitcoiners and Eth originals have experienced would indeed be life changing. I think it’s this dream which helps me weather the bad times, but it’s also the daily joys that sustain me on the way to the good times of 50 dollar Hive. Thousand dollar Hive seems beyond my comprehension right now.

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Abundance is subjective. But you have a point.

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One thing I don't understand is this:

Right now I have seen how the activity of the curators in terms of votes has dropped by 20% or 30%, now if HIVE does a x1000 would there really be 100% active votes or would they be more selective?

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Imagine people like me running around with $5000 upvotes

Yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine scoring $5000 posts once in a while...

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Hey! I love reading your posts, I'm new on Hive and very little experience with crypto. I have a question, but please don't get me wrong :) I'm a layman here, I'm not complaining about the system fairness, I know this bla bla bla and it's not me....

It only takes one person with a lot of stake upvoting other people with less stake for decentralization to occur.

About decentralization, if reward distribution is 50/50 author/curator, doesn't this one person always keeps his share size of the network? The whale will always be the whale? The control of the chain will always be pretty much in the same hands? What if 2 or 3 big whales decide to sell all to one person?

I would answer this question with a question.

Will every Bitcoin whale the be same as they are now in 10 years?
There's very little inflation, thus all the whales will be the same, yeah?

Imagine one person held all the Hive tokens (400M)

This one person starts upvoting someone else for 50/50 curation.
After the number of coins doubles (800M), the main holder has 600M and the other guy has 200M. The main stake holder went from 100% stake in the network to 75% stake in the network. See how that works? Our percentage of stake in the network goes down even with 50/50 voting. In fact the 50/50 aspect has proven to help decentralization. We used to do 75/25 and it wasn't as good. People who upvote others like to get a kickback.

Got it! Thank you for your answer!

Imagine all the good that could be done with that much money flying around everywhere.

That is a crazy thought. Just alone the projects in Afrika with the construction of wells was an amazing example... It's also good to remind oneself that even only $1 goes a long way in some countries... So we can already now make big differences to people's lives.

I guess the "problem" with self voting is that it also leads to being on the trending/front page with the content being probably often quite questionable.

Hive is small, but it's changing lives. It's going to grow, I guarantee it. — this clearly reminds me of one of @mcsamm posts , https://hive.blog/hive-174578/@mcsamm/building-my-country-with-hive-connecting-my-people-to-the-hive-blockchain which clearly shows what the Hive ecosystem can do to benefit people . Certainly Hive is going to attain its full potentials, we all can’t wait !

Damn timely post @edicted
One of the truly amazing things about decentralized communities, and the ultimate response to oppression is the ability to fork the chain and have the community move on without the leader. Messy? Yes, but so is democracy. And no one would say dump democracy… except the ones who want to stay in power forever. :)

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Makes me think of Dan's video the other day where he talked about the moat being built around Hive. The ones that are already here are lucky.

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Damn, man, this was a thoroughly enjoyable read, I love the way you whipped it. I see a lot of sense in what you're saying. However I'll like to hear what you have to say about marketing hive, I saw what Lordbutterfly posted too, that was really beautiful and potentially hugely beneficial to Hive. With the kind of community and resources we currently have one would think that big publicity/marketing moves like that would have been embarked on a lot of times by now but that hasn't been the case. What do you think about the current seemingly poor marketing of hive?

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A new invention/concept requires thinking outside the box.

Though there's nothing wrong with taking a centralized approach to marketing by directing attention to the core (Hive), I feel it's wise to look at the entire picture.

Peakd, Splinterlands, a sub-community of your choosing (LEO as example). All three marketing themselves brings attention to Hive, without even saying Hive.

The marketing isn't poor at all. It's simply going unnoticed by many more accustomed to the traditional centralized approach to marketing their product.

What makes someone take an interest in something like Netflix? Each successful series, movie, etc. is what attracts the consumer, not the shiny Netflix logo. Does the stand up comedian stand there and talk about Netflix all day or does the stand up comedian simply work their magic with no mention of Netflix, all while that effort contributes to drawing attention to Netflix and of course, the other products Netflix offers. Maybe you signed up to see that series so many are talking about, but now it's over. Yet you're still there browsing the merchandise and contributing to their success.

Does that make sense?

Oh yeah, it makes perfect sense. You've always been phenomenal at logic and perspectives.

I completely agree, I think it is true that we sometimes don't really view the marketing of Leo, Splinterlands, etc as marketing for Hive itself. Maybe also we haven't gotten the progress we've been expecting and that's why we often view hive as poorly marketed.

While I think the progress of the subcommunities have been remarkable I still think we have more resources to do more.

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Absolutely; there is room to improve. Sometimes the connections aren't clear. How many new Splinterlands players actually knew that PeakD post they'd been forwarded to with the updates/information/news was a Hive product? Thousands upon thousands of views sometimes but not many comments. Possibly not even aware they already have an account able to leave a comment under those posts. What I'm saying is the roads aren't exactly clear sometimes. Someone stumbling into an article on LEO or POB has no clue they're using a Hive product. It's chaotic. There was a time when it seemed everyone wanted to branch off in their own directions, getting further and further away. But that's just a fancy way of walking away from your potential market.

And also, marketing Hive would contribute to the success of several different products/services/brands on chain, but they don't show much interest in flipping the bill or offering resources. Luckily the DHF is there and these different products are building stake, which allows them to contribute in more meaningful ways.

The decentralized nature means when PeakD decides their product is ready to be pushed out, then it's time, and they'll do it. Same with everyone else and their products. Even an individual has the capacity to push their brand outside, in order to bring eyes here. Say you or I manage to create a humorous post and someone shares it to twitter where it gains traction, getting spread around. With no mention of Hive, those laughs bring eyes. People aren't sharing though, and of course in general there's a lack of dedicated consumers who typically do the sharing (even though we pay them with curator rewards and comment upvotes).

With so many things going in several different directions all at once, it becomes very difficult to market just one thing that speaks for everything and everyone. So it's more efficient for each to market their own while ensuring their product connects to the rest of market on Hive as a whole.

I see, man, I agree.

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