The HBD Stabilizer seems to be doing its job nicely, very nicely!

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@smooths' HBD stabilizer is a wonderfully simple mechanism which uses funds from the Hive DAO to help stabilize the value of HBD at around the $1 mark.

HBD is pegged to around $1 by the 'HBD stabilizer bot-algorithm' (there's probably a better phrase I could use, but you get the idea!) queries the live value of HBD and...

  • If its value is between $0.99 and $1.01 it sends the last hour's worth of HBDs back to the Hive DAO
  • If the value of HBD is above $1.01 it sets Hive for HBDs (by setting limit orders on the internal market)
  • If the value of HBD is below $0.99 it sells Hive for HBDs, through the three day conversion mechanism...

Whatever sales/ buys/ conversions are made, the HIVE/ HBDs are always returned to the @hive.fund account, the Hive DAO account.

The 'Stabilizer bot' is funded through Hive DAO proposals which are updated every few months. You can read the latest one here: HBD Stabilizer Continuation March 2022

The current update is for 10 000 HBD an hour, although the stabilizer only receives currently around 6800 HBDs a day, because (as I understand it) any proposals with more vote weight get their cut first and then the entire rest of the daily DAO budget goes to the stabilizer.

(NB the lates proposal actually warns that anything falling below it won't get funded because this proposal is for the ENTIRE daily budget.)

The Stabilizer seems to be doing its job....

Judging by the past month's HBD prices HBD is certainly stable around the $1 IF you're prepared to wait a few days to a week for it get back to $1...

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While this isn't ideal if you need instant access to your stable (ish) coin, it's perfectly acceptable if you're holding onto your HBD for a week or more and don't need it instantly, because there's a high level of certainty that you will be able to redeem your HBD on Hive's internal market for $1 worth of Hive.

And it's maybe responsible for pushing the Hive Price Up recently?

You may have noticed that the Hive price is holding up VERY NICELY over the last month....

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Now I don't know for certain how much of this is due to the HBD stabiliser buying Hive, but it has been buying up a lot recently, I guess as demand for HBD is strong due to the 20% interest currently being offered for putting it in savings.

And you can track the amount being bought by the Stabilizer by simply tracking back through its wallet...
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Sometimes it just sends the HBDs straight back to @hive.fund, but recently it's been buying up thousands of Hive every day and sending those back to the hive.fund, essentially locking that Hive up until those with the Power decide to release it somehow (through voting for new proposals/ Hard Forks changing the rules of how the @hive.fund is managed, for example.

Either way, for now that Hive isn't liquid which I guess helps the price.

The HBD stablizer just sounds like a win-win.....

It's effectively a return proposal after all - the money just goes back to the Hive DAO while stablising HBD, pushing demand for that up, pushing the price of Hive up AND increasing (or at least maintaining) future revenue for future development costs...

The only thing I don't like...

As @smooth warns in his latest proposal post we need to be careful to make sure every other proposal above Threshold is above the Stabilizer, otherwise it won't get funded because this proposal sucks ALL the rest of the daily funds to it.

And how do we make sure that happens... well I guess that's down to large accounts manually checking and manipulating those borderline proposals just above threshold to life them above the Stabilizer, which I'm not entirely comfortable with.

I mean, it's not the most elegant of solutions to an otherwise brilliantly simple, functioning win-win algorithm!

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The only other Algorithmic Stablecoin I know off died horribly. This is working fine for now...but considering what happened to UST, we have to find a better solution considering how many whales are in HIVE in a DPOS setup...

I know I know we have to trust everyone in Crypto...oh wait we don't we always have to prepare for the worst.

I get the feeling that Trades and Smooth are in it for the long haul, so I wouldn't worry about it!

Hell yah!

In an era that has seen a couple stable coins challenged and others destroyed, it continues to amaze me.

Not only that but is kicking me 20% per year in interest in on-chain savings!

I guess it's relatively easy ATM to maintain HBD near the $1 - when there's so little of it compared to Hive.

Be interesting to see how well it's maintained as more is minted going forwards!

well I guess that's down to large accounts manually checking and manipulating those borderline proposals just above threshold to life them above the Stabilizer, which I'm not entirely comfortable with.

ditto

Hi, this is off-topic but does Hive have a discord server? Why can't I find a link to it anywhere on hive.blog?

Yeah, there's a HIVE Discord server

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no worries, it's linked on hive.io

https://discord.com/invite/QNPwpZH5jj

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MORE demand can't hurt - I'm inclined to say 'who cares about the peg if there's more demand'

If it's pushing the Hive price up it's all good IMO.

At least I think!..?

I’m looking forward to having the stabilizer being fully automated into the blockchain just incase smooth catches a govt dart or something. Joking but you get my point.

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Yes I do, you could say the same about Trades, someone takes him out and Hive is going to face some problems, for sure!

Well this aged like milk.

Cg

? HBD is currently $0.99 - working fine?

As @smooth warns in his latest proposal post we need to be careful to make sure every other proposal above Threshold is above the Stabilizer, otherwise it won't get funded because this proposal sucks ALL the rest of the daily funds to it.

Yeah, that’s kind of crazy.

It’s why a few days ago I unsupported the HBD Stabilizer Proposal and voted in favor of Proposal to Make HiveSQL Free Again #138. They’re neck and neck in voting. As of right now, separated by less than my vote weight alone. There’s got to be a better way.

It's an odd one isn't it - but in a bizarre way it almost makes having an Orca sized stake useful - Lord knows anything under 1M HP is fuck all use for voting witnesses, without a Trades vote no one's getting in the T20 - BUT for this small deal stuff being a T200 rather than a T1 account can actually make a difference.

Not that you can blame large accounts like Trades for holding so much HP, we could always buy more of course.

Do you know how many proposals would still be funded without BT's vote?

I'm not sure TBH - but the return proposal only has 15M HP voted to it so I would hope it's not 0 like the witnesses in consensus.

I notice one of yours is a 'victim' on the stabiliser!

Out of the 14 proposals above the HBD, only 4 will be funded: the ones from Howo and Peakd, HiveSQL and HiveAuth, the last 3 being the only ones actually funded without BT's vote.
The same applies to Hivebuzz's proposal which was previously funded without BT support.

I notice one of yours is a 'victim' on the stabiliser!

"Victim" is the correct word because the stabilizer is backed mostly by whales, whose stakes are rising faster than others, raising the bar faster than the rise in support for other proposals that don't have the stabilizer supporters among their own supporters.

So basically the HBD stabiliser at current levels is sucking development funds away from developers?

Not for all devs/projects. But for those who are not supported by BT, it becomes really difficult to get funded. We are in a somewhat similar situation as for witnesses.

It's a tough one - I'm painfully aware that it's even worse than it appears - I know the alpha account is basically Trades too, but on the other hand there's so much liquid Hive out there it's possible for someone with large enough pockets to buy enough to compete.

I can't really hold it against Blocktrades for holding a larger stake than everyone else!

It is something I find most interesting - how decentralised is Hive compared to other Chains - it seems to be very centralised, but then again in terms of how much it would potentially cost you to gain significant governance rights it's not that centralised - but that's probably a silly measure.

Thinking like that is also possibly my pro-Hive bias - wanting to find an analytical trick to prove it's not really centralised at all.

Maybe I'm just kidding myself.

Do you know who controls the Freedom account? Dan or Ned I presume? Or is that Trades too?

At least Trades is prepared to put a face to his account name, that's something at least, maybe?

I knew about the HBD stabilizer, but I never actually knew how it works. Thanks for opening my eyes to that.

I think it's a really interesting concept.

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The beauty is the sheer simplicity.

I have to trust that people know what they are doing with this. I know there are posts and comments that get upvoted to fund some of this work. At least our stablecoin is more stable than that of a certain other blockchain. It should give some confidence to those with HBD savings. We need to have more things we can spend HBD on.

It's not perfect, but given how new it is it works pretty well I think.

But I know what you mean HBD has incredibly little utility - I even bought my HiveFest ticket with Hive because it worked out $20 cheaper than using HBD!

Sometimes it just sends the HBDs straight back to @hive.fund, but recently it's been buying up thousands of Hive every day and sending those back to the hive.fund, essentially locking that Hive up until those with the Power decide to release it somehow (through voting for new proposals/ Hard Forks changing the rules of how the @hive.fund is managed, for example.

If I remember correctly HIVE sent to @hive.fund gets converted to HBD.

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I'm not sure it does - I trawled their wallet and couldn't see any history of conversions, unless they do so less regularly than once per day which may well be the case?

It has a special operation for it, that is why it doesn't show up in wallets and explorers. In the next HF, a virtual operation will be added so they show up.

Ah I see, so maybe it's something else pushing the Hive price up then?

Surely not actual demand?!?

To add to your excellent publication, you can also simply just wrap your HBD into pHBD and exchange it for USDC at a ratio of approximately 1:1 with USDC for instant withdrawals.

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Yes that is a fair point, it is a way out, personally I'd rather pool that USDC with pHBD to bring even more coin into those excellent returns!

When you compare HBD's stability to SBD, its starkly apparent how important a stabilizer is to the ecosystem at large is. The picture is old, but SBD's contraption of a stabilizer didn't do jackshit to protect it from volatility. HBD had a slightly more sophisticated one at the time.

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I did a post explaining how smooth's stabilizer works, with flowcharts, here.

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I wouldn't go anywhere near SBDs... I'm wondering how the Steem price and the whole ecosystem isn't just falling apart, I guess old habits die hard.

Those are some nice flow charts!