Developers Discussing Hive Bonds And The Next Evolution Of HBD Time Locked Assets

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The evolution of alternate financial system is underway. We are embarking upon an enormous effort to arrive at something that is competitive with what is already established. For this to happen, we have to get the infrastructure and foundation in place.

We see a lot being made about the Hive Backed Dollar (HBD). This is something that holds tremendous opportunity. Of course, like with anything, there is a lot more than meets the eye.

Over the last few months, we spend a lot of time discussing the idea of time locked assets on Hive. Essentially the idea is to add another layer to the Hive Savings program which offers a higher return in exchange for a longer commitment. This is an idea that is being picked up by the Hive core developers, as they discussed it on their latest call.

On the surface this looks like just another way to embark upon generating a return for people. Some believe it is just a trying to pump things. It actually goes much deeper than that. In fact, it goes to the heart of the global banking system. This is an area that Hive can play in.

While obviously offering people a higher yield is a positive and could help to attract more capital to Hive, it is the evolution after that which is vital.

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Time Locked Bond

What does a time locked bond do for Hive?

The most obvious is that it adds network stability while also putting Hive deeper into the fixed income market. This is, however, just the start.

To explain this concept, let us look at what takes place. If we place 100 HBD in 25% APR account with a 1 year lockup, we obviously have generated a return. Under this scenario, we will earn roughly 25 HBD over the next 12 months (a bit more since the APY is actually higher). This is typically as far as people's thinking goes.

However, there is another piece to this puzzle. What we effectively did is create an asset. The action taken has a clear payout schedule, a cost, and a time period that is transparent. In other words, this is a financial product.

Here is where the idea of a bond come in. By taking the extra step, we not longer have money in an account but an asset that has market value. This is what bonds essentially are. The fact that it is fixed removes an entire layer of volatility.

The obvious drawback is the money is locked up and there is no liquidity. By going to the next level, this is removed.

A bond has market value. It can be traded or sold. Globally, the above board bond market is over $100 trillion. This is not a small pond.

By adding a liquidity layer, people now have options. The fact something is tradeable means that it also can be collateralized. Here is where things can get very interesting.

Digitizing The Entire System

With a time locked feature on Hive for HBD, we can create second layer solution that incorporates what we are describing here. Applications could be designed that would allow people to deposit their HBD into the savings program. When that occurs, a NFT is placed in the individual's wallet. This is an asset that represent the money that is locked up along with the future returns off it. In other words, it is a bond.

People who follow along with this realize we just added liquidity to the situation. This is obviously important to depositors. It will serve as an incentive for more people to get involved. If one can claim a higher rate of return for locking up the funds yet know they are still liquid, that will remove one obstacle. Of course, keep in mind the liquidity is due to the second layer. On Hive, the HBD is still locked up.

This is only one aspect of the evolution. There is a secondary consideration. Some might have heard about the idea of never selling your asset. Instead, of selling, it is far better to loan the asset out.

In other words, use the NFT for collateralization. At this level, we are entering the big money world. How big?

Perhaps you saw the news that hit the crypto site where the Fed, in 2019 and early 2020, loaned out $48 trillion to the mega banks. While articles like the one linked fails to understand the system, it does show the size of things. Overnight lending is, through trilateral agreements (what the Fed knows about), in the neighborhood of $4 trillion daily. It is completely unknown what the bilateral agreements total but it is likely much higher, probably topping $10 trillion.

This is daily activity. It is also how the international banking system generated enormous wealth (and power).

What is in question is why did the Fed have to step in? This is a multi-faceted answer and much of it outside the scope of this article. Nevertheless, one of the key components is a lack of high quality collateral. It is an issue that was plaguing the banking system for much of the last 15 years with no signs of letting up.

The opportunity presented to the cryptocurrency industry was outlined in The Banking System: Cryptocurrency's True Threat. It details how we can go to the heart of things with a new system.

Ledger Banking

We all heard that blockchain is Distributed Ledger Technology (DLT). This is ideal since the international banking system truly runs on Ledger Technology. Naturally, it is not distributed but it is a system that started 70 years ago. Thus, we know the solution for how this works.

To further exemplify where this can go, let us use a scenario where Hive Bonds are put up as collateral.

We will use the pHBD liquidity pool that is being set up on Polycub. For this example, there is 10 million in the pool. That means there is 10 million HBD, half of which is locked up in the savings (3 day) paying 20%. The other half is kept liquid from bridging from pHBD to HBD. However, through analytics, the team realizes that most of their activity occurs between the hours of 4 AM and 8 PM. There are 8 hours where very little happens. This means the HBD is basically sitting idle.

Here is where the lending comes in.

Leofinance goes to the application and decides to loan their money out. In this scenario, they take 2.5 million HBD and put it up. Looking at the returns being offered, they see they can get 10% APR. This means they will get .0000913 per 8 hour shift. On 2.5 million HBD, this produced 283 in that 8 hours.

This is how the swaps work in the financial realm. These are also called Repurpose Agreements (Repo). I know, rather boring stuff but wait until we see what happens.

The arrangement is essentially the bond holders are "selling" the bonds to Leofinance with the agreement to repurchase them at a later time (8 hours), for more money. The price is the 2.5 million plus the 283 HBD.

It is easy to see why this is an advantage to Leofinance. There is 2.5 million HBD just sitting around not needed for 8 hours. Why not put it to work? It is all automated and 228 HBD doesn't sound like much but consider this is done every day*. That equates to over 80K HBD per year.

Of course, consider what happens if they are using 25 million HBD.

The one question that might be arising is where does the 283 HBD come from to pay Leofinance? Here is where the magic enters.

There is 2.5 million HBD that is "loaned" to the bondholders. Here they take the money and direct it into another project that generates yield, for same 8 hours. Perhaps it is something that has a 30% APR. Now the bond holders are able to make 684 HBD. When the 228 HBD is subtracted, we are left with 456 HBD profit. Keep in mind, this is above the 20% APR that the bond holders are receiving for putting the HBD in the bond to begin with.

By utilizing smart contracts, after the 8 hours, all of this is unwound and the payments are made. Everyone made some money and goes away happy.

The key, however, is the collateral.

Replicating The Banks

As we can see, the situation is allowing all of us to play in arena we presently are excluded. By adding the time locked HBD feature to Hive, we see can how this market opens up to us.

The final piece that is essential is to look at the collateral itself. Here is where stability enters the picture. Many tout Bitcoin as having this future use and that might be the case. The challenge, at the moment, is Bitcoin can lose 15% overnight. We have seen drops of double digit in just a few hours. It could change in the future which does open up the door for possibilities.

If this happened under the example just posed, the bondholders might be tempted to default on the loan. After all, if the collateral put up is worth 15% less, just let that be transferred to Leofinance and let it take the loss.

It is at this point that HBD enters. The true value of these bonds is they are generated via a stablecoin. The backing asset is not going to drop 15% once the expansion and arbitrage opportunities takes place. Plus, with enough bonds created, we can have a robust market of transacting. This is another evolution of the fixed income market, offering people the opportunity to buy bonds. Once again, we see the reach of Hive expanding.

What I described in this article is a basic trilateral agreement with Bank of New York Mellon being replaced by the application. Also, anyone can enter simply by putting the required amount of HBD into the application.

The key is that growth leads to both size and liquidity. As the system expands, the collateral is elastic, thus being able to meet demand. The present system suffered a collateral shortage the last 15 years since Mortgages Backed Securities were shown to lack the quality that was touted.

We know the international banking system built something very powerful. Cryptocurrency has the opportunity to replicate that while improving upon it. We go further by adding decentralization and transparency. That coupled with the elasticity of quality collateral will help to forge a new model.

After all, tracing it all back leads us to a transaction on the Hive blockchain, something everyone can see. With the record available, we can see exactly what is backing that NFT. We also then have free market operations on the bonds which reveals the liquidity of each particular one.

The Fed put in hundreds of billions each night for months to keep the system liquid since banks were not lending to each other. Since this can be tied to the lack of collateral, we see how even capturing a small portion of this could really help HBD. An open source application built on a decentralized second layer that is tied to Hive really changes the entire equation.

This is why getting the time locked HBD feature on Hive is so vital. It opens up an entirely new world of potential. Instead of trying to use other assets to act as collateral, HBD is creating the collateral.

It is a very unique position.

Let us know your thoughts in the comments below.


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Forget about the oracle of Omaha, we have our own oracle of Hive

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We could fix things a lot quicker if we had some of his money to convert HIVE to HBD. Of course, doing that as a community member and not in a VC capacity.

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True!! :)

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Leveling up the game is key. A complete ecosystem that can attract outsiders too.

if you build it they will come. Lolol

This is absolutely brilliant and educational.

I see and understand the path this can lead Hive down.

Amazing days, weeks, months , years ahead for Hive and all of that are here 😀

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Hopefully it was laid out in a way people can follow. I know some of this stuff is rather complex (as well as very dry and boring) but I tried to make is sensible so people can see the potential.

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As an economist, I would LOVE to see Hive-Backed Bonds that can be sold in the open market. It's literall bringing the largest market of the world (bonds) to Hive.

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Without a doubt. It is just a matter of establishing something that is unparalleled in terms of the collateralization ability. Using blockchain coupled with a stablecoin can answer the question of trust and stability. Then it is only a matter of liquidity since the blockchain will also add in transparency.

It is putting all the different components together.

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I am happy to tie up my HBD into a bond for a higher yield of HBD. Lets hope something comes of this as this is a wasted opportunity.

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Lets hope something comes of this as this is a wasted opportunity.

I am not sure what you are referring to with this.

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Wasted as in not lending out the HBD making the extras. If we can find a way to deposit the savings into a bond and earn more interest then it is a win win for the services we provide. I see HBD as having more value than just a stable coin in a wallet and it could be put to work like you have outlined in the post and that was what I was referring to as not wasting this opportunity.

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Damn that’s a lot of stuff to wrap my head around lol it sounds like a good proposal but I need to read it again a time or two!

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Going really deep into banking system would be a real game changer for DEFI.

If the future of finance must be decentralized, then crypto has to do more than buying, holding, and trading futures.

Real investment options must be made available. And that's what I'm seeing here.

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That is a lot of money that the banks are transferring back and forth. It really makes you realize just how far we have to go yet. I don't think I have ever owned a bond, but I am definitely interested in the possibilities that could be coming to Hive and PolyCub

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Yeah and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody knows how many trillions are truly loaned out each night in the swaps. It is amazing to think about.

It is why the idea of creating money out of thin air and making money to make money is not novel to crypto. This was around for decades.

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Just more accessible to everyone now thanks to crypto. Going back to our other conversation... I wasn't ready for phbd to happen so soon. Gonna have to wait to get into the pool now. My outside capital is too low!

More and more this brave Hive Community forges forward!! I am really grateful for the development of this atlernate financial system. Exciting things upon us, and endless possibilities looking ahead! Always great to read your articles Task. Thank-you for this contribution!!

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We are looking at building things that can really make a difference. That is what the goal is. HBD requires a lot more work one a few different levels.

Fortunately, there are people looking at addressing them over the rest of the year.

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400m hive at 1usd each makes 400m hbd.
Granted price inflation will occur, but how much can we realistically expect to top out at?
If we burn a substantial amount of hive, what happens to the witnesses and the reward pool?
Burning 200m hive would cut their returns in half?

Hbd is more like the usdt which is a stable coin. But my question is, will hbd last been stable? And what's the benefit?

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I liked the HBD Bond concept. It creates obvious advantages.

The benefit of a bond to its issuer: Since the maturity of the bond is certain, future liquidity obligations become definite. Thus, Hive can adjust its investments, bond issuances and returns according to its future liquidity needs. It is worth paying an additional premium for it. And as the HBD was obtained by Hive conversion, the value stands within the Hive ecosystem.

Benefits of a bond for the buyer: Buyers earn a higher return on the purchase of a financial product for which they have given up liquidity for a certain period of time. In fact, they did not give up liquidity since they bought a financial product that can be sold on the second-hand market. And they can use that bond as collateral.

Benefit of the bond for the second-hand buyer: They can speculate on the price of that bond. They will probably obtain a premium. They can also use it as collateral.

I really like the idea of ​​selling bonds as NFTs. In Uniswap v3, LPs are represented via NFTs. The concept can be tested by issuing bonds with small volumes and attractive returns at the outset. It would be beneficial to create alternatives with different maturities to address various preferences. Issuing short-term bonds can make selling easier until people get used to the idea.

This is a great comment!

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Thank you!

That is true and a market of trading can open up. Of course, the key point I was making is that we can even go one step further and establish a system of collateralization. That is where the real fireworks enter.

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Just wondering, besides just the loans, can't you also have a market for the bond NFTs? I think it would allow people to flip it and add even more to the market. I think that is how the current bond market also works because you can sell the bonds to others.

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In this instance, they are one. The bonds are being represented as a NFTs, tied to a certain transaction on Hive. That is where the value of the remaining time is located. The market, of course, can decide the value it places upon each one.

I think that is how the current bond market also works because you can sell the bonds to others.

Certainly a system needs to be build where people have the option of either collateralizing or selling them. Both should be available to people.

The payouts will simply go to whatever wallets has the NFT in it.

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From what I saw on 3speak, it looks like they don't want you to sell the bonds but rather a way to take a cut of the total amount as a fee. So would this still happen?

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By the way, this is what hedge funds and insurance companies do all the time. They are big holders of bonds, especially US Treasuries. For this reason, they "loan" them out to the primary dealers (ie major banks), that use them for purposes similar to what is described here.

  • The insurance company or hedge fund gets paid some interest (in addition to whatever the bond yields)

  • The borrower profits by using the money to generate a return (unless it is using it for cashflow like trading houses fulfilling money market obligations)

  • The primary dealer takes a small piece for facilitating the transaction.

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Essentially the idea is to add another layer to the Hive Savings program which offers a higher return in exchange for a longer commitment.

I believe Hive Savings section has not been prioritized by the devs while other sides are perfectly developed and enriched until now.

Many products can be operated thanks to Hive blockchain facilities. HBD, meanwhile, will get some other use cases and sources to get stable $1 peg.

Since this can be tied to the lack of collateral, we see how even capturing a small portion of this could really help HBD. An open source application built on a decentralized second layer that is tied to Hive really changes the entire equation.

Yesterday I spent a couple of bucks for Avalanche transactions + 2-3 hours for X,C,P Chain stuff. Hive, on the other hand, can handle all these things in 3 seconds for free !

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There are a lot of advantages to Hive in that regard. However, much of this will operate on the second layer. The HBD engagement of course will be on Hive and subject to what you mentioned. The second layer could operate a bit different but your point is the same.

Hell someone could actually fork Hive if they wanted and use the infrastructure coding to build the node system although there are a number being built.

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I agree with everything based on our previous discussions. and support. Look for @threepseak putting a blog out supporting this vision later on today.

One thing where i think we are missing a little in this blog is that we already have the system in place. it can be built in fact, right now with the three day lock in. While a vastly superior system is to have the multiple lock in bond system pre-built where you lock in for X time and gt Y APR, we, in effect already have this with the 3day lock in.

we should not wait for the bond system to be built in order to start work on the repo and collateralization system you describe above. For i would already trust the 20% pay out rate on collateral with the current 3day lock in system we already have operating. particularly for short term loans. This already works fine.

Lets not wait.

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For i would already trust the 20% pay out rate on collateral with the current 3day lock in system we already have operating.

That is true. The one challenge I see is that it is a 3 day lock, not a 3 day commitment. The three day lock is only in place after one going to liquidate. If not, the lock up in simply ongoing.

With a term, you have 1 year from the date the HBD is put in. This means that we know exactly the day it will be released.

I guess you could build a system that allows to people start the liquidation process upon entering. Or perhaps a system that has it open ended. It is something I will give some thought to.

If being done on the second layer, and using for short term purposes, there certainly is some flexibility.

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