Hive Needs To Be Ready For A 1 Million User Application

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Is Hive ready for an application to have 1 million regular users? If not, this is something that we have to be prepared for.

It obviously sounds ludicrous considering where the numbers stand now. We do have to believe, however, this will not always be the case.

Most look at Hive and see something that is niche. A small blogging community that is ranked way down on Coingecko is as far as most see. This causes them to miss the entire story of what is taking place here.

There is no doubt the adoption of Web 3.0 is stuck in neutral. We have a lot of entities vying for the title. The challenge is few are truly decentralized. At the same time, we have to realize that much of what is touted as such as really nothing more than what went before. Web 3.0 simply because a marketing term.

Hive is different. We do have a decentralized base layer. This means that anyone implementing the account management system is going to be providing to account ownership. It is a core tenet of the new Internet.

So how can we think about the position we presently occupy and 1 million users? Here is where development and building occur.

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1 Million Can Happen Quickly

Did you see how quickly GPTChat took off? It went from non-existent to 1 million users in 5 days. This is how quickly things can move in the digital world.

How many times over the past 20 years did we see an application go from nothing to 50 million users in just a few months? Instagram is another application that was able to reach 1 million users in around 60 days.

The point here is that people on Hive such be preparing for such a reality. We have no idea what applications will take off. What we do know is we are dealing with something that is very powerful. The offering on Hive is growing at an astounding rate. We are now seeing development moving at a pace where there is a noticeable difference.

This is paramount to capturing the attention of the masses.

Ultimately, the key to the network effect on the Internet is to go viral. We talk a great deal about marketing. The major Internet success stories are not due to that. How many advertisements did you see for GPTChat? Compare that to the number of people who mentioned it.

Hive needs to get something to go viral. How this is accomplished is a great mystery. Obviously the present approach is not arriving at this end. That said, we know there is an innovative bunch on Hive. Somebody will figure out a way to get something to take off.

When that does, what happens then?

1 million users will change the entire complexion of Hive. This will put it at an atmosphere few have reached in Web 3.0.

1 Million Users Should Be The Target

Applications should really start thinking in these terms. When one sets a target of 1 million users, the thinking is shifted. This affects everything from the design of the project to how it is marketed. The idea is to create something that people want to use. So far, this is not the approach.

How many roadmaps on Hive have you seen that lay out the path to 1 million users? Is anyone thinking in those terms?

We have Leofinance that set a target to get to 2,500 users by the end of 2023. Do we suffer from an inferiority complex that we have such a low bar?

Certainly, we can point to the issues that are before us. Hive is not without its faults. Ease of use is still something that is lacking to a degree. Some of it comes from the lack of education. There is only so much we can do in an arena where keys are a basic part of the curriculum. Nevertheless, as the evolution of the Internet shows, people do adapt. There was a time when people did not know how to use a web browser or send email.

One of the key premises of having a higher target is the fact that even if you do not reach it, there is still a lot accomplished. What if an application is "only" able to get 250K users? How would that change the engagement on Hive? What would that do for the ecosystem?

My view this is going to happen at some point. There will be a project team that decides it is time to start catering to the outside world as opposed to within the Hive ecosystem. Fighting over scraps, which is what we have been doing, is not the path to success.

To many of us, Hive is the best thing going. It is time we start carrying that attitude in all we do.

Here is a chart of how long it took different things to reach 50 million users. Notice some of the social media applications that were able to do that in under a year.

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This is obviously a much higher number than we are discussing here. However, it does take the bar to another level.

In view of these numbers, the 2,500 project looks laughable.

Someone is going to have the foresight to raise the level of expectation and put together a team that can develop an application or game that attracts 1 million users.

And when this happens, Hive needs to be ready.


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It might not be a 5 day thing yet I think we have some projects with this 1 million user onboarding potential and reaching 1 million has been our goal for early 2023, lets see if we can do it!

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Working on it...

Makes me really wonder how many accounts we could create before the system breaks apart. When I signed up for STEEM back in the day, it took three weeks to get an account and that wasn't even a bad thing so to say.

I think they are instant these days. Back then, it was the role of the company to provide them.

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I've got some account creation tokens, others have them too.

Working on it…

Many are. I hope 4 or 5 other teams follow your mindset.

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Car race by chance? I would personally play that even without incentives.

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Since we had RC delegations added in the previous hard fork, I think Hive is ready for the applications blockchain-wise. The application would probably have to deal with the RC usage for new users and Hive would probably pump a lot due to it because account creation might still be a little lacking.

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It's time we develop some moonshot thinking. This is the digital sphere and it might not be that hard to achieve this number.

I think the everything app concept could be the one that gets us to 1 million users as the concept (built on a fast and scalable) has never being done before.

Moonshot thinking..good term.

That is what I think is missing.

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I don't know what the goal should be also because some things seem to slow down and then start running again in an absurd way.

However, I know that some things that were previously niche have become trendy without us even realizing it.. I hope this is the case too because deep down we are in what is perhaps the right time.

We'll see, only the future will tell us if we've made a good journey😉

Niches can be a great way to grow.

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Sooner or later a 1 million-use application is quite possible to challenge the Hive blockchain infrastructure. I don't say that it is not supported now, but rather than when such an app will kick in I think that improvements will start coming out based on those needs. Otherwise, it might be hard to predict without making some stress and performance tests in this regard.

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From what I understand, the infrastructure can handle it. As for how that applies at the second layer, I guess the depends upon the way that is structured.

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True true, there are a lot of parts that will break. Imagine SPL had 400k$ per server costs when they were caught off guard. Aggy said that in the last Townhall, insane. If the tide rises too fast, a lot of people will have to step up very fast and if we fail, we can still count on @solominer to keep the masses in check for some time.

Maybe we limit ourselves sometimes, it is going to be hard to scale up if we allow ourselves stay trapped in that mindset that "gaining the little leftovers" is alright, no, it's not, we gotta gun higher.

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Shoot for the stars and if you miss, you are on the moon.

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I believe it's not impossible for Hive to surpass the social media giants not to mention that we get rewards here for being a content creator 🥳

A week ago, I wrote on onboarding and that it is still something that needs to be improved.

I think 3speak and the short videos would be the event for the growth on the user side. I am sure that if people realize the value of the rewards and also if the 3speak gets the tip like option that john discussed on CTP recently, It'd be super hit. Nobody would even realize Hive has that much internal traffic and so much going on... Let's hope 3speak reaches there.

Certainly short videos is a big area of interest. I believe microblogging is going to huge.

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To give us a better perspective of what could be possible on Hive, it is good to draw the likes of Instagram, and GPTChat as examples like you did. One or a few Application is what Hive needs and we have to be ready for them.

The signup process has seen some improvement compared to previous years, it is not the easiest at the moment we can get better and that's one of the areas to look at, RCs no help to get interaction going on Hive without having HP. We are gradually looking good and I trust the days of + a million users will come.

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I feel like a broken record recently but Hive won't get a huge uptake in users unless it becomes easier to make an account.

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We're also technically behind a pay wall which will put off the majority of people.

@splinterlands alone had half a million users at its peak. I won't be surprised with 2.5 million users or more in the next bull market. The current infrastructure should not find that difficult IMHO.
!PIZZA

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I hope that soon hive ecosystem will grow into millions of users. The only impediment to his growth is that he is not intuitive, he needs knowledge and a lot of education. Fortunately, the communities are getting stronger and radiating toward new users in an avalanche effect. As more everyday use cases are reached, it will grow. Greeting.

What you state is simply a matter of motivation. People overcome bigger learning curves when they want to. Yet we can do more to provide it yet there is a lot out there.

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One important thing I think is that the target audience doesn't include younger teenagers. They can really drive attention and spread it like wildfire.

Achieving a million users doesn't necessarily need to include a younger audience but it makes it that much harder not to. The older you get, the less you are interested in new things.

That could be true although viral can happen at any level.

But the younger users tend to be more technologically inclined.

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It is frustrating to see lesser platforms get massively popular in a matter of weeks, although some cannot sustain it, e.g. Hive Social. It can be down to a celebrity endorsement or just something viral on reddit.

I've seen some people say Hive is not ready for huge growth, but what would need to change? We already have most of the tools for a good user experience, with Keychain playing a big part. More mobile apps would help as that is the device of choice for the majority of the potential audience.

Onboarding tens of thousands of users per day or week may present some challenges. What we don't want is masses trying to sign up and hitting problems.

to have so much people hive need to provide more value to normal people who is outside of blockchain and crypto things.
like better service than blog, youtube, email and so on.
So people check here their mailbox- time for mail on blockchain:)
then people go to hive to post things after that they go and watch dlive or other service etc.
just need to be better than services now.

Wait a minute, you mean Hive has yet to reach a million users? I found that hard to believe.
But if we want to reach 1M users, I thinks it MUST be a matter of growth since Hive Blockchain isn't made in the likes of ChatGOT and the likes, Hive is a platforms, created in the model of growth not booming out in the open in days, a decentralised Web 3. The only way to reach 1M users is through growth, steady organic growth. More Dapps, sustanable games and the likes.
Or if luck comes our way, get onboard a trending AI web 3 games. But i'm sure account creation will limit there onboarding.
I can't think of any other way out.

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I don't think we can handle a million users without completely overhauling our process for account sign-up and granting access.

It's time to get creative, and think outside the box. We need to come up with inventive solutions to make the sign-up process faster and more efficient. It's also critical that we develop a better way to delegate RCs to new users quickly and securely.

We can't go on just hoping that everything will work out. It's time for a radical transformation to make sure our user base scales with our growth.

Perhaps, accounts are free and the 3 HVIE cost, is taken from their posts till they earn it, or not turn on the earn feature till after they make at least 3 Hive. But as mentioned in the comments already, we are behind a pay wall, or a random luck wall, making onboarding 1,000,000 users in a short time frame, very unlikely. Even, how may account creation tokens are minted? Is their even 1 million of them available at this time?

Hive is ready now imo.

This is ofcourse, assuming that the apps use of the blockchain is efficient. If they have a poorly optimised transaction model then that could cause problems, Also RC costs could greatly increase which isn't an issue for anyone actually posting and getting some rewards.

There may be a requirement to increase blocksize depending on if transactions get backed up because of full blocks. Fortunately this can be changed on the fly with witness paramiters.

With HAF based API servers now in full release, performance of APIs is significently better and there are still many more optimizations to come down the line both with HAF and with HIVED

Actually what you bring up with I agree with. In terms of the infrastructure at the base layer, we are there. A lot more can be handled.

It is more in the minds of the project team and building apps/games that appeals to that many people.

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