Why Hive Is Protected Unlike Waves And Hive Saving Bond As A Defense Mechanism

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Have you seen what is happening with the Waves blockchain and its stablecoin? This is starting to garner some attention as the peg broke and a lot of money is at risk.

It is a rather interesting story beginning many to question the validity of algorithmic driven stablecoins.

In this article we will detail what took place and how Hive is in a different situation.

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UDSN Massive Printing

For those who are unaware there was a massive amount of printing of USDN which many are claiming is de-stabilizing the entire Waves ecosystem. It pushed the price down to 81 cents, motivating the article above to be written (it since bounced back to 92 cents).

So what was really happening? An anonymous individual online did some research and this appears to be what was taking place.

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The question is what protections are in place with Hive and what are some of the differences? Let us take a look at the situation and how Hive is structured in a different manner.

Tokens

Waves uses three tokens. WAVES is for their gas fees while USDN is the stablecoin. There is a third token that is used for governance. Here we see the first issue. There is no reason to hold WAVE other than for an assortment of gas fees and speculation.

HIVE has utility. To start, it is the governance token so staking it (powering up) is a way to gain influence. Like WAVES, it is also the what allows people to engage in the blockchain. Finally, it allows for directing of the rewards pool since one can curate content based upon their HIVE that is staked.

There is a reason to hold HIVE, keeping it off the open market. It is why 40% of HIVE is locked up. We also have a 13 week power down period which also acts to secure the blockchain.

Founder's Stake

In this situation, there are accusations this is coming from the founder, or at least someone close. The fact there is a corporation behind WAVES only adds to the problem. When there is a large stake held by a small group of individuals, it can be used against the chain. This is something Hive already experienced.

We were seeing a lot of WAVES being converted. When the process started, someone started to convert WAVES. Where did it come from? It is opined the founder's were pumping the price to be able to cash in. Hard to know exactly what is happening but this cannot occur on Hive.

The founder's stake was locked up in the Decentralized Hive Fund and cannot be used against the blockchain. In fact, as we will see, it is actually helping to defend it.

Smart Contracts

Waves is a smart contract platform. There is a lot taking place at the base layer. With Hive, it is the exact opposite. What is occurring at that level is very targeted. There are not many features available. Everything has to build on the second layer. Once again, this provides enhanced security.

With HBD, there are only a few areas that apply to it. We see the distribution when 50/50 payout is selected. Then we have the interest paid on HBD in savings, And finally, there is the haircut rate where applicable.

When looking at Waves, they have a lot more going on. In fact, they created so many layers tied to the stablecoin it is head spinning. Part of the stablizatioin comes from a variety of synthetics that are tied to fiat currencies. That means their stablecoin is, at least in part, meant to be stabilized by synthetic assets.

Haircut Rule

At present, if the market cap of HBD reaches 10% of that of HIVE, the blockchain stops printing HBD. It is a mechanism that is designed to slow the production of HBD if things get too far out of line.

This is being raised in the next hard fork to 30% but it is not being eliminated. We can see a larger buffer allows for more HBD to be created. However, since it is there, unlimited conversion cannot take place.

It is not something that appears to be in place with Waves.

HBD Stabilizer

Here is where the original founder's stake is helping to defend the blockchain.

HBD Stabilizer is allocated payouts each day from the DHF to buy up HBD or HIVE on the market, depending upon where the price is in relation to the peg. If it gets below the $1.00, it buys up HBD which is then deposited in the DAO. This effectively locks up the HBD, removing it from the free market. There is an emission rate hard coded that distributes the holding of the funds.

Does this mean that the potential for this to happen does not exist? No, there is the possibility that someone tries it. However, to do that, it would have to come in from the outside. An individual, or group, could some in with $40-$50 million and buy up HIVE to convert. Of course, at some point, the haircut limit would be reached, eliminating this part of the scheme.

However, there is another area where this fall short compared to Waves.

With that ecosystem, there is a money market type application called Vires Finance. This is also part of the core, meaning it could provide vulnerability to the system. When the price of Waves goes up, the interest paid out automatically increases. Hence, doing a pump of WAVES means the stablecoin staked is earning more.

This does not exist on Hive. If it was available, it would have to be a second layer application. This means it could blow up that application but have a lot less impact upon the ecosystem as a whole.

Hive Savings Bond As A Defense Mechanism

At present, there is a savings program on Hive which pays interest. Like with Waves, this is base layer. The rate, however, has nothing to do with the price of HIVE. That could moon like nothing we ever saw and the HBD interest payout would be the same.

It is the Witnesses who set the rate on the interest. This is a medium of the Witnesses' rate. The rate only changes when they decide to move it.

There is another aspect to this we discussed over the last few months. The Hive Savings Bond is the idea of using the time locked capability of Hive. Under this scenario, one takes the HBD and agrees to lock it up for a certain period of time in return for a higher interest rate. For this discussion, we will use 1 year and 25% interest.

What if we did encounter the situation where there was just too much HBD out there. In spite of what was mentioned here, what if there was still a massive amount of liquidity that was deemed a threat.

Hive Savings Bond would provide the Witnesses with one more tool. Want to dry up liquidity? Provide a large enough incentive to lock it up. Thus, the Witnesses could form a defense by moving the interest on a 1 year time lock to, say, 40%. Here we see the incentive to pull HBD off the open market and lock it away. This would dry up the liquidity while providing the time to allow things to settle down.

As the liquidity dries up, the rate could be lowered. It would also provide the blockchain time to grow even more to absorb the extra liquidity.

In Closing

Hive is fortunate we are still operating under the radar. We are able to watch other projects operate in a similar fashion and experience the attacks. This ecosystem went through it a couple years ago, only to come out stronger. As others pave the way, we can learn from what they go through.

It seems the key is to keep building layers of defense. The best is a strong community that is willing to step in and project what they view as home. This is what many refer to as "Layer 0". Hive certainly has this.

Nevertheless, we can keep adding in more options to be utilized should the need arise. When there are more choices, it can make attack that much more difficult. At the same time, it can help to reduce the profitability of such a move, further reducing the incentive for one to undertake it.

Having a portion of the base layer tokens locked up for periods of time provides a great deal of security. Those tokens cannot be used against the chain. With HIVE powered up or HBD put in a time locked account, this effectively removes it from the free float. It is as if they tokens do not exist, at least until released.

A major component to all this is time. Anything that can slow down attackers is helpful. Often, their success comes from doing things before anyone can respond. With Hive we are building in those defenses that will lessen the appeal of attack. Can it happen? Sure. But if it is so much of a pain in the hind end, the incentive is further reduced.

It appears Waves did not have safeguards in place. Of course, if the founders are behind this, then we can see why.


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It is amazing to see the Hive community has put in work to prevent magomago threat, but what do you you consider about a staking hive and HBD with an apr of say 15% per annum?

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With Hive that is not possible at the base layer. The inflation rate is already coded in for that and to change it leads to a credibility issue.

As for HBD, I can see the witnesses moving the savings rate up after the hard fork. That would only make sense.

I proposed the idea of Hive Savings Bonds at a 25% rate for a 1 year locked up of HBD.

Of course, what you propose can take place on Layer 2. Applications can build a APR on the staking of either of the tokens, paying out in their own token. That is very possible, in fact I expect it.

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Oh i see an upward stroke if the Staking fees and apr are adjusted .
One would think of reverse staking as a term where you get rewarded after you stake the collated fee.

Is now I understood the work of HBD to hive. Thank you for the information boss. Means if the system print alot of HBD that is more than Hive, HBD will slow than.thank you

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Same with Splinterlands offering us the chance to lock cards. There are tools we can only build because we have the option to lock cards.

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I am more comfortable every day on Hive when you see what others are experiencing. Hard lessons learned that make you stronger.

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Isn't Waves an official Ponzi scheme? They would need continuous market cap growth to keep the system stable.

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WAVES is a project that I have seen grow from $ 1 all the way up to $ 50. I did not expect such growth and I understand the mechanism behind this blockchain well, currently I am not willing to invest in this blockchain. Great article and thanks for sharing

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The best community so far so good is hive community because they do everything to ensure that the community is well protected and secured like others

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Thanks for the information. I didn;t realize all of that was going on.

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I am not too savvy when it comes to these things, but I think I understand what you're talking about here.

Overall, it's just good to know that we have precautions for these events.

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It will take more time to digest the whole content. At least, I think I understand a portion of what you wrote. Great to see the comparison between Waves and Hive. I just have one question in mind about the role of the community to help build "layers of defense." Thinking from a Red Fish point of view, how can small players like us help provide such a defense?

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The way smaller players can help out is to keep focusing upon HP and building that. There is a lot to be said for protecting the governance of the chain. The more HP smaller accounts have, making them slightly larger, the better.

Also, putting some HBD in savings helps to create more of that. Over time, it can help build.

Finally, learn the different parts of Hive. There are a lot of moving parts and it is not easy to grasp. Those who take the time can be really helpful even if their stake isnt that huge.

As they say, it all adds up.

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wow I had no idea that the ninja stake was protecting our community, thanks for the clarification,

I am sure that if our hbd remains stable it is a gain, although some of us wish we could go back to the times of the old chain when the sbd was worth US$16.00 but we learned that this is not sustainable and could generate big losses.

I think the 12% interest in the deposits is a very good thing that helps us all, I still have some small pile of hbd that is there accumulating slowly and very slowly,

Hopefully one day this will help us to either create more hive offs or have it as a great savings plan.

I didn't know about the waves problems, hopefully that won't happen to us as we spend 90% of our time consumed on hive and its alternate layer 2 chains which are a great way to spend our time.

Greetings sir and thanks for keeping us informed.

The ninja minded was locked up during the split. That is where the DHF came from.

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This is a really great explanation. Thanks for that.

While researching Terra the other night I saw a lot of the same mechanics HBD and Hive are using.

When the peg is broken in the negative direction APY is increased to take UST off the market. When the peg is broken upwards LUNA holders can exchange LUNA for UST in terms of dollars meaning that 1UST in this exchange is worth $1.

This gives you a minor margin to sell some LUNA and then dump UST at a profit bringing the price down in the process.

It's good to know HBD is protected by a very similar mechanism. Almost like Terra copied HBD lol

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Very interesting. Those are some really good points and a very thorough comparison of the two chains and what is currently going on with WAVES. I saw a news story the other day where the government is trying to pass a bill that will "require" stable coins to be backed by USD or some other fiat. I just had to laugh.

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Yes on a decentralized chain, that is laughable. They really do not get it.

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Interesting part is that there is literally no other blockchain that is offering this savings interest feature. I mean we already know about staking but who maintains both stablecoin and main coin while giving interest for the stablecoin? Hive definitely would be getting a lot of attention purely because of the stablecoin interest feature.

Just wondering, wouldn't the 3.5 days from conversion also be a protection mechanism? The price is the average so it also protects the price.

Also, does the lack of liquidity matter much? The stabilizer helps price and putting HBD away only locks away supply. So wouldn't the price swing more and stay away from the peg for longer?

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I had been holding Waves since 2017 and I enjoy the products of Waves blockchain. On the other hand, I had some investment in Vires until the day I received %104 APR for my stablecoin investment.

What happened in the blockchain was the shorting campaign by Alameda team (FTX Exchange) according to Sasha, the founder of Waves. The FUD was created via depegged USDN (around it was $0.97) but there is another token on Waves named NSBT to stabilize the peg on https://neutrino.at/.

Both FUD and the drop in price took the problem into another level when Sasha shared a proposal to liquidate Alameda's $80M of USDC USDT investment. Long story short, the vulnerable mechanism and low liquidity of the peg was destroyed with FUD and manipulation (according to Waves team).

Hive does not have such risks as the inner mechanism is already built considering such actions as you mentioned. I think more use cases for HBD and more stablecoin pools will help us keep in stable on CEXs, as well. ✌

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Thanks for the clarification. I did not know the details, only go based upon what is out there.

The key, as you mentioned, is there are mechanisms built into Hive that are helpful in defense of the chain. For this reason, we are standing on firm ground. Of course, we have to be ever mindful of pitfalls and do what we can to help in preventing them.

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I like the savings part of HBD. Not so sure about what is happening with WAVES. Not so sure with the taxes that I really care for Hive that much either. Really don't know how Hive is going to stay under the radar when the taxes being done will surely get it know by tax professionals anyway.

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I think you nailed a good point in the conclusion. In business in general you never really want to be the first person to do something.

A famous quote goes "You can always spot the pioneers by the arrows in their backs" - William H. Calvin

It's meaning is by being the first to do something a "innovator" You take all of the risks, costs, expenses and building it. Just for someone else to come along and nearly copy it and launch it themselves.

First movers have around a 50% success to failure rate who are the first to sell the new innovation while a fast follower only has a 10% failure rate and these are people that are watching all of these other projects launch, learning from them and then building what they feel is a optimized version of it. It's far less expensive.

Hive being under the radar right now puts it in this spot. It has less "risk" and a lot of potential to be watching others mistakes and failures and seeing if they apply here and to fix or make them better.

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What I do not understand is why have so many coins? Why have a governance token, the main token, a stable coin? Wouldn't it make more sense to have one token that does everything?

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