How white can a wall be?

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My friend sent me an ad for an apartment for sale right in my building. They've been looking to move for ages, and the prospect of being neighbors again (we lived across the street from one another for over a decade before I moved) was thrilling. As was the considerably lower price tag, as opposed to the new apartment buildings they're putting up lately.

"Of course, it needs to be completely renovated, which is a ton of money."

Hearing that, I clicked on the video expecting one of those old-timey Communist apartments with old, clunky, impossible furniture and yellowy walls. It wasn't. The apartment was, in my opinion, quite lovely. It was recently renovated (as in walls painted, outlets replaced, etc.) and was sporting quite nice modern furniture. It looked comfy. Had all the things like sofa, double bed, wardrobes,and so on.

According to my friend and her partner, all the furniture was subpar and would have to be replaced.

I wondered why. How white do white walls really need to be? Not that that ought to be a problem, money-wise. I've painted my new house, my old house and my grandmother's house, along with my mum and my brother, several times now. It's a few days of exhaustion (depending how much of a completionist you are, which I tend to be) and like $150. As opposed to getting professional painters to do it, which is at least $1000. Of course, this couple would never consider doing this sort of work themselves. He (primarily) works so he can afford to pay people to do such lowly tasks.

What baffled me most, however, was the furniture argument. Everything needs to be replaced so that it can all suit the same aesthetic. (In my opinion, there weren't any glaring mismatches in the existing furniture) I thought, okay that's understandable if you're working with an empty apartment or really have got $10,000 to spare. But if you're working on a budget and would like, at least in theory, to move in the near future, do you really need to replace everything?

When did we develop this ickiness about other people's things? Moreover, about other people?


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I can understand not wanting to sleep on the same mattress as strangers, so maybe change that. But why do the bedframe and nightstands have to go, as well? All those really need is a clean. Same goes for most of the other furniture, yet this is a common trend, it seems.

How likely is it that the people who lived here before you did things unspeakable and foul on the TV stand? Or on top of the bookshelf?

When I moved house, I wasn't necessarily interested in sticking to a set budget. I just didn't see the sense paying over-the-top amounts of money for things you don't really need.

"Never invest more than you can lose."

It seems to me this crypto dictum could be well-applied to material purchases, as well. Because you are, after all, losing that money in various ways. You may need to move. It might deteriorate faster than you'd hoped. Some disaster could destroy it. And even barring all that, these new shiny expensive things tend to lose their sheen faster than anticipated. Understandably, since the novelty fades.

I look around my house for things that weren't mine. The difference is, the place was mostly empty, so it needed furnishing. But everything that could be saved, I'm happy to say, was. The desk I'm writing on now belonged to the people who lived here before me for three years. I painted it, and voila, new desk. I also painted the small adjacent table to match, which must've been at least 100 and I think belonged to the old women (some distant relatives) who lived here during the 80s and 90s (I think).

Ironing board and several kitchen appliances were my grandma's. So was a good deal of tablewear. For weeks, I carted around heavy bags of odd little cups, platters and other such. Fridge. Kitchen counter. Oven, until recently. Washing machine, hall stand, which I also had a great deal of fun painting. Plant pots. Had there been more furniture already here, no doubt it would still be here.

I don't see the appeal of new things, especially household things. Do you really need an expensive new bookcase if the old one still stands? I think the trouble is, these people don't want to be guilty of half-assed spending. We somehow exist in this age of massive, over-the-top big costs, meaning they have that opportunity (to spend a lot of money).

It would feel half-assed if they make do with old furniture that's already there. You need a purpose to work towards, a grand, absurd sum to spend on something that could cost you less. You need, as ever, a meaning.

I'm just not sure it's worth the trade-off here. There's a certain pride that comes with making do. I loved painting my walls and my furniture, because that made them mine. I remember when I was quite small and professional house-painters were painting my mum's house. It looked like nothing. Moving itself was exciting, but the process itself meant nothing to me. Why would I choose that when I can choose to add my own meaning to a place or an item of furniture?

It seems dangerous to me and quite empty, really, to make of spending money a main aim in your life. A justification for working and being away from family. I understand, to an extent, my friend's partner (who is the main decision-driver in this purchase) - all his friends moved to new homes which they newly decorated, all probably spent insane amounts. He would look poorly (or just poor) if he moved into an old house and made do on some pieces, wouldn't he? Even if he really isn't.

Imagine having such mentality. Or worse, such friends.

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It is normal to inherit everything from a narrowboat when you purchase one, but in terms of homes here in the UK, that's not the case at all.
I think there are many advantages to inheriting items when moving to a new place:)))

He would look poorly (or just poor) if he moved into an old house and made do on some pieces, wouldn't he? Even if he really isn't.

This makes me glad that I don't have friends. 😛 We don't get a lot of guests so we don't have to worry what someone else may think. We renovated our home about 10(?) years ago and I am still perfectly happy with it. In the future I may frame and hang some of my art pieces on the walls but that is about all I would change.

Some people are quite fussyy particular with using old things, I think I'm one of them 😀

Mattress like you say, definitely. Ideally it should be replaced every 10 years, and everyone has their own preferences on the different type of mattresses. Same goes for sofa, especially fabric ones. I tested so many sofas in the shop when I got mine, you'd be surprised how much 1 inch difference in the height, seat depth or back makes to sitting comfortably!!

As to other stuff, any old stuff from family are not a problem for me, and if they're passed down there is a sentimental value as well. Other old items from 'strangers' such as big pieces of furniture, bookcases, it all depends on the style. Some of them are very nice and good quality. And if you repaint them like you do, it can be very rewarding.

Just curious, is it common to buy a property with all the furniture included in Romania?

Everyone has their preferences when it comes to house items. While some, just like the couple may not love having other people's stuff but keeping them away to replace with new ones (theirs), others would greatly appreciate it and see it as saving money for other things to get in the new house. Just like you, I can take up others' stuff, renovate them into new ones and still enjoy it.

We're moving from a 750sq ft condo to a 2,800sq ft home in just a couple of days so this really hit home with me. More space will be definitely be nice but I feel the stress of the prospect of owning too much stuff again. I can already see the temptation is there with my wife to fill the space up with furniture and make massively expensive renovations. It's going to be a constant battle to remind ourselves that we'll probably only stay in this house for 6-8 years (this is our pattern) and will have to move everything again, and likely into a smaller space since we'll both be close to 60 years old. We're meeting with an interior designer tomorrow and this makes me even more nervous that they'll try to coax us into buying all kinds of new stuff. We're so bombarded with these kinds of pressures in the modern, materialistic world. Living in a smaller space shields us from many of those pressures. I want us to feel like we're making this new place our own but at the same time I don't want to spend more on furnishings/renovations than we can recoup when we sell the house. Hopefully once the dust settles we'll be able to find a way to meet in the middle.

Often old stuff is far better made than new things. It also has character and history.

I recently knocked down some walls in our apartment to create a new space and we needed two new tables (kitchen and dining).
We got two beautiful tables and chairs 2nd hand from family and friends, one almost brand new.
Our couches are also 2nd hand as we knew the kids would wreck them.
Both have great character. One was from a nightclub and seats 6 so almost the whole family can watch a movie together.

Often old stuff is far better made than new things. It also has character and history.

100%. I love the story of items that get passed down (or sold).

Our couches are also 2nd hand as we knew the kids would wreck them.

Smart thinking with small children. I always think about that when I see these couples spend a fortune on furniture - are you thinking 2-3 years into the future or are you just decided not to have kids or pets?
Club couch sounds pretty cool. Imagine the stories.

So you going to buy their flat?😁
(just for curiosity, how much do they sell it for?)
Indeed around myself so many things are secondhand, especially furniture costs you like an arm when new and after it's used just two weeks you could get it almost for free... So I am fully with you on painting walls by yourself!!:)

Oh it's not their flat, they're looking for flats and found one for sale in my building. Already got my own here so figure that's enough :D It's like 150k Euro for an apartment with three bedrooms, two bathrooms, etc. It's quite alright. The friends I mentioned want to buy an apartment in one of the new building complexes that are popping up around town and those easily go for over 200K, so...

100%.There's so many beautiful used things that are still functioning, no idea why some people find it so awful to buy second-hand.