What do men want from women?

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I admit I got a bit side-tracked from my class over in PA by this question in the chatroom.

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Isn't that what we're all just dying to know about each other? What do people around me want so that they will essentially like me and desire me?

Answers for both questions were quite interesting to peruse. In the original question - what do women want in a man - the predominant answer seemed to be some variation on

A real man.

Of course, what a real man is constitutes the subject of quite heated debate in our modern day and age, but what these women seemingly meant was someone capable, strong, aggressive without being bullying or harmful. A man you can rely on, who can protect his family and gives you a sense of security seemed to be the consensus.
Other optional add-ons like fun to be around and great sex did pop up frequently, as opposed to the male section. Interestingly enough, we women have no problem saying how much we enjoy a good lay or how important it is, whereas men (at least in mixed company) are a lot more reserved on the subject.

Another huge one was kindness. The ideal man, it seems, is aggressive but also kind. And isn't that what we're really looking for? A man who can protect and offer some degree of safety while also nurturing and helping us grow our offspring?

Over in the men's answers - to the what do men want in a woman question - the favorites seemed to be: someone who gives me some degree of competition/challenge (i.e. someone who encourages you to grow), their mother (several Jungian/Freudians there), playfulness/passionate, etc. One I really liked suggested

all a man wants is a meal and a bit of respect.

It sounds patriarchal af, I know, but I don't think it was meant that way.
Respect, in particular, seems like a big one, especially today when it seems like a loaded assertion - it's very odd for a man to say he wants respect in a relationship without us automatically assuming he's some assholey wifebeater. However, it's natural and healthy for any human being to ask for the modicum of respect we all automatically deserve. The meal, also, far from being the "make me a goddamn sandwich" stereotype, I believe refers more generally to nurture. There is a lot of love in feeding someone, in making sure they eat well, and I think it's that element of care that is perceived as missing, not so much the sandwich itself.

Another recurring one for men was desire. Several said that a big thing they want in a woman is to be desired, which points to an interesting question - do men today not feel like they are desired? And is that a problem of today or going way back? I can't imagine it was appreciated in previously rigid societies for a woman to have a high sex drive and jump hubby's bones whenever they were alone, though perhaps in our modern world, where many men are stripped of traditionally masculine pursuits and outlets, the two combine to create disastrous results.

If Joe can't feel "like a man" outside the home (since most jobs/hobbies have been scrubbed clean of that innate manliness that was for so long a vital part of our culture), and he can't feel "like a man" inside the home (no longer needed by his partner, or able to attract and satisfy her), is Joe really a man at all?

It's not necessarily me asking, I'm just trying to follow the train of thought, as this quality of "desire" kept cropping up in men's answers.

I want to be wanted.

At the end of the day, that could easily sum up answers for both genders. When all is said and done, we all just desperately want to know we're desired. That someone else needs us in their lives. Which points, beyond a "gender war" to a frightening disconnect from our fellow human beings on this Earth. We seem less and less sure that other people want or need us, and when those things are taken from us, it's only a matter of time until life itself loses all meaning.

What do women want in a man? Jason Momoa. Hm. At the risk of repetition. Someone who wants me. Someone who will make a good father to my kids regardless of where he is with me. Good sex. Can face outward when I must face inward. Loyal. Big time, someone willing to protect his clan under tyranny. That's my two cents' worth, at least.

Ultimately, if you summed up what either gender in the chat wanted, it didn't sound too extravagant. A kind, assertive, protective man. A loving, loyal woman to grow alongside. I feel both genders have this feeling that what we want isn't, at its core, that big a deal. So then, why are more and more people on either side of the barricade sexually and emotionally malcontent in our brave new world?

What do you want in a man/woman?

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A kind, assertive, protective man

Low-key never been any different for centuries.

Might I add, men don't want any extra challenge in a woman. At least I don't. Chase, yes. But peace thereafter... And it's so underrated.

I agree :) I don't think they meant challenge in the sense of giving you hell, though, just challenging you to be all you can be...if that makes sense?

Oh. Yeahh, that. Of course! I like that. Okay, I could have been more specific with the hell part. Haha

I want a woman that know how to cook, clean, and do something mean…

If not she gotta know how to work and twerk…

Liking my art would be a +.

I can definitely relate to that :d

Feeling of being wanted and accepted (not to be confused with needed), someone who understands and respects each other. Maybe someone who knows how to use a Linux terminal would be nice to have.

You are a good example of what I described.

:D Thank you.

accepted (not to be confused with needed)

I like that distinction! Being accepted certainly seems undervalued especially when culture creates this impression of endless turnover (why accept something if I can change partners endlessly?).

Nietzsche said, "Marriage as a long conversation. - When entering into a marriage one ought ask oneself: do you believe you are going to enjoy talking with this woman up into your old age? Everything else in marriage is transitory, but most of the time you are together will be devoted to conversation."

This is the most accurate description I've ever found of a long term relationship, a long conversation. We go through so many changes in life we must be willing to submit ourselves to a process of falling in love with each new version of our partner and vice versa. Sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't.

The most important things for me are -- a woman who is engaged in the world and has her own aspirations and interests, a good sense of humor, intelligence, optimism, confidence, and kindness. Also it's really important to feel appreciated. They say hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is, and that certainly seems right to me.

A long conversation. I love that.

we must be willing to submit ourselves to a process of falling in love with each new version of our partner and vice versa.

Yes. I think a lot of relationship misery comes from being unable to accept these changes or expecting your partner to stay the same (or finding perhaps you've both changed to a point where you're irreconcilable with the other).

They say hate isn't the opposite of love, indifference is, and that certainly seems right to me.

I agree. I guess at the end of the day, we all just really want someone who sees us and cares that we're there.

I saw that Nietzsche quote a few days ago and I really thought it summed things up perfectly. The long conversation is sometimes, "What would you like for dinner?" or "Are the dishes in the dishwasher clean or dirty?". Lol. At the end of the day you really have to make sure you like the core of your partner's personality.

Totally! I've heard that most men enter into relationships assuming the woman will never change and woman enter into relationships thinking they can mould the man into what they would like him to become. I know that's a generalization because I've known men who want to change women and women who expect a man never to change but it illustrates the misconceptions people have about long term relationships.

It's an over-generalization, for sure, though I think there's some truth to that. It's very necessary and powerful to understand that you can't change people in the way we expect (at least). You can obviously foster good behaviors and help someone towards the better aspects of themselves, but some people go in thinking "oh I'll just do away with X, Y and Z traits, and that's just not how it goes...

There is a lot of love in feeding someone.

I love the part in Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5 where porn star Montana Wildhack asks Billy Pilgrim about his late wife. "You loved her very much... What was your favorite thing about her?"

And he says, "Her Pancakes."