Knowledge, Certainty, and Current Events, Part 5

in #ramblerant2 years ago

Arguments. The internet is full of 'em. People have opinions, and voice those opinions loudly. I have no objection to discourse, but so many arguments reflect badly on all involved. People say they know things they cannot possibly know, and are absolutely certain of things that are demonstrably wrong. Every formal and informal fallacy is on display.

One common failing is the strawman misrepresenting someone's position in a way to avoid their actual arguments and criticize something at best superficially similar. A better method of making your own case is to steel man an opponent's position. If you can argue someone else's position better than they can themselves before dismantling it, you have engaged in honest discourse.

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Iron Man (Marvel/Disney) and Scarecrow (MGM) standing in for these principles

Social media, especially Web 2.0, creates echo chambers and rewards engagement instead of honesty. This perverse incentive structure has helped drive wedges between people. I doubt a better tool could be designed to divide and conquer under the guise of promoting free speech. I'm not saying this is some kind of deliberate strategy, but it is the outcome of a corporatized attention economy.

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Along with the strawman argument, we often see various forms of ad hominem (against the man) argument. Instead of addressing someone's actual point, the rebuttal makes assumptions about their motives, prejudices, or something else entirely irrelevant.

  • You're just saying that because you're [insert skin color, gender, or religion here]

  • Right-wingers are saying that because they're just secretly racist fascists who hate the poor!

  • Left-wingers are just saying that because they don't want to work for anything!

  • Millennials/Zoomers are just lazy whiners!

  • Anarchists are ungrateful for the sacrifices made by their betters!

OK, but what do these responses have to do with what someone actually pointed out as a problem? A good debate is about ideas and evidence, not personalities. This is also one of the reasons I hate talk radio, newscasts, and politics. It's rarely about the fundamental principles and problems or serious discussion between dissenters, it's about narcissists and sociopaths shouting nonsense and insults back and forth.

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Here on HIVE, we have an infrastructure designed to foster more fully-developed conversations with hyperlinks for evidence. We can also be more conscious when engaging on old social media. Let's try to be better and set an example for the way we would want our own arguments to be treated.

And if you don't, you're just a dirty commu-nazi who kicks puppies!

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The most popular lies from the terminally online that I have noticed:

  • Proponents of censorship claiming to support free expression

  • Authoritarians claiming to believe in human rights

  • Warmongers claiming to be pacifists

  • Science-deniers claim to love science

The worst is dealing with people who claim to invite honest discussion, but then have nothing to say when a perfectly polite detractor asks pointed questions, and instead respond only to litanies of insults from shitlords like me... almost as if these people care more about their image than anything else.

Of course i say things that i couldn't possibly know (reading the future) and what is "provably" false (they still haven't found any dark matter)

But just saying the facts isn't as fun... and can often get you banned!

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I'm OK with statements of supposition and assumption when clearly stated as such. Science is a field built on constantly testing and revising old ideas when done properly. Forecasts always contain an element of uncertainty, whether we're talking markets or meteorology.

I'm not OK with people who said, "if you don't wear a mask and get vaxxed, you are a selfish idiot who wants grandma to die." They could not possibly know how well masks work or what people who objected to the COVID regime really intended.

And now, there are reports that those grandmas got injected with something that caused them die... of the covaids. Well, that is what was put on the death certificates.

Coumo is really suspected of murder.

I am really upset with modern scientists who will not work with new theories. Or throw out old, disproven theories.

But, i have really gotten off topic of what you were writing for.
such as "You just hate X people" logic and arguments. Which indeed are really bad.