Ask Hive: Do You Believe in Aliens?

in #community3 years ago

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Someone the other day implied that I was close-minded and a sheep because I didn't believe that Putin has honorable intentions with the invasion of Ukraine and I am triple-vaccinated.

It made me realize that we all have our idea bubbles, plus not believing one thing doesn't mean you are closed off to other things, so I wanted to gauge the community here about one of the areas where I have been called a crackpot conspiracy theorist :)

Where do you stand on the aliens and UFO topic?

Since I was a kid I have been fascinated with the idea of UFOs, not just because I was brought up on a steady diet of Science Fiction (Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Space 1999, Blake's 7, Hitchhiker's Guide, etc) but also because the more I learned about the vastness of space, the more I couldn't conceive of their NOT being life "out there".

You would think being also raised Catholic would run counter to this, but quite the opposite. In fact, the Catholic Church has come out as very open to the idea, to the point Pope Francis said he would baptize Martians.

YouTube is a wonderful source of confirmation bias and entertainment, and I love to watch the videos about all of this stuff, no matter how "out there".

A lot is obviously clickbait or worse, but some ... Some things really do make me sit up and take notice:

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How far is the Rabbit Hole?

Does that mean I think the Queen of England is a shape-shifting lizard person ala the V television series from the 80s? Not quite, though I do dislike the idea of royalty for other reasons!

I am also not of the belief that ALL UAP sightings are little green (or grey) men.

Aviation journalist Jim Goodall has written 20 books on a plethora of top-secret craft, such as the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 stealth attack aircraft and the B-2A stealth bomber.

we have things out in the desert that are 50 years beyond what you can comprehend. Not what you think we can make in 50 years but what you can comprehend. And if you’ve seen movies like Star Trek and Star Wars, we’ve been there, done that or decided it wasn’t worth the effort.

-- In Plain Sight, HarperCollins

Some could even be projections intended to throw off our systems, to give the illusion of something otherworldly or simply put us off our game.

That said, highly credible, highly trained radar operators have multiple, confirmed sightings of something encroaching on secure facilities, shipping, and even nuclear installations ...

USS Princeton Petty Officer Gary Voorhis checked the radar system for false returns. It was recalibrated and no problems were detected. Voorhis also physically confirmed the objects were where the sensors were telling them they were. After taking a relative bearing of the objects seen on screen, he also scanned the sky through a pair of powerful binoculars. He saw something there, luminescing and hovering in the distance. ‘I couldn’t make out any detail at all. They were hovering there, then in an instant, they’d dart off to another direction and stop again,’

If they are not friendly, and they are not alien, then our western intelligence services have woefully underestimated the technological progress of other countries. With Russia doing so badly in Ukraine, you would wonder why they don't pull out these capabilities, though ...

War of the Worlds?

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One of the things that makes me feel safer about the subject of alien invasion is the fact their technological prowess means if they wanted us dead or enslaved, it would have already happened.

That's not to say they aren't influencing us, or covertly hostile, just I don't see them blowing up the Whitehouse or Buck Palace any time soon!

Over to you ...

Do you think there is life out there? Do you believe we have been visited by aliens here on earth?

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I and my partner strongly believe that aliens have been living amongst us already but we just never know. (We are Catholics).

While I would be scared out of my skin to meet an alien in the flesh, there is something comforting in the thought that if we screw up this planet really bad someone might bail us out ;)

yea, agreed :)

If, when someone asks you "why do you believe as you do," you can't explain your reasoning, but instead cite a source of information, then your beliefs are not your own, and that is what makes you a sheep. It doesn't matter what you believe, it matters why you believe it.

Is there life out there? Most certainly, because the right chemical environment will, through a process called abiogenesis, give rise to living organisms. Given enough time, advanced multicellular life will eventually emerge. On Earth, that process took about 3 billion years.

Have we been visited by aliens? Well, probably, but not in the way you might expect. In 1969, a 4,5 billion-year-old meteor impacted Australia, and when it was examined, it was discovered to contain 80 amino acids and other organic chemicals of extreme complexity, lending credence to the "panspermia" hypothesis, or that the Earth was "seeded" with life from outer space. We might be descended from extraterrestrials, though it's unlikely.

you can't explain your reasoning, but instead cite a source of information, then your beliefs are not your own, and that is what makes you a sheep

Nothing wrong with citing sources (depending on the sources), just so long as it is not purely an appeal to authority :)

Earth was "seeded" with life from outer space

I think panspermia is highly likely, but I also think there are ample hints through history that we have been visited by someone or something, from cave wall art through to our religious texts :)

I believe that aliens exist in the universe but I don't believe that they have visited our planet.

I used to the love the aliens TV shows on Discovery but as I got older they just got silly and nonsensical to me. I'm not a fan when the "true believers" make a wild claim about something and then they are given a very plausible and likely explanation but still maintain that it has to be the work of aliens. Building the pyramids is a perfect example of that and you still hear the ridiculous argument today that they had to be built by aliens. It's like, so intelligent life with advanced technology caple of bending space time to traverse the universe, came to earth and built the most primitive object known in architecture (a large base supporting a smaller top) out of rocks....

Kids with blocks build pyramids lol.

But aliens in the universe for sure in my opinion.

How do you think they built them?

I think there have been civilisations come and go before ours.

I used to think that OOPArts (out-of-place artifacts) were indications of prehistoric civilisations, but then I learned that the vast majority of OOPArts are outright hoaxes, which was disappointing. The rest - such as the gold chain that one of my grandfather's mates supposedly dug out of a coal seam - are unverifiable. I didn't even hear that particular story until long after his passing, so I can't ask him for details.

As far as pyramids and other megalithic structures are concerned - I can tell you exactly how they were built: mounds of dirt. In the days before cranes, dirt was piled up around the construction site and massive stones pulled up a relatively shallow incline in order to bring them into position, after which the dirt was removed, and the stone slowly lowered into place. One team of archaeologists even replicated this method on a small scale to demonstrate how Egyptian obelisks were placed. Stonehenge would have been built in a similar manner; in a book I have titled The World's Last Mysteries, published in 1976, it is suggested that piles of logs were used, raised layer by layer until the lintels were brought up to the tops of the pillars.

Of course, none of that tells you who built them or why.

I think we’ve lost a lot of knowledge, the precision cutting and masonry of ancient megalithic structures is amazing

I don't know if we have lost the knowledge though. Look at the precision work of a marble statue created by a sculptor with a chisel. That's the same ancient knowledge
really. The rocks of the pyramids were limestone, a soft rock, likely chiseled by dozens of people. I feel like some shows on tv and some books make them sound like they are laser cut or something and that they fit together within a millimeter on all sides, but that isn't the case at all. There are huge gaps between the rocks that are visible when you get up close to them. My guess is that the gaps at the time would have been filled with mortar to make them appear smooth.

I hope that this doesn't sound confrontational by the way, because I don't mean it to lol

They also perfectly carved granite, and there are other megalithic sites like this ... :)

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It is impressive for sure.

How do you think they built them?

Basically just man power in the form of slaves using methods pointed out by @steampunkkaja as well as other methods. There countless ways of doing these things that are actually just a very simple use of physics. I watched a man move massive objects far distances on his own using a long stick and two rocks. It's just physics and simple tools.

I feel like the pyramids example is like thinking about humans traveling across the universe to build a 3D triangle. It just doesn't make any sense.

We would have trouble moving this with machines though ...

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No doubt that it would be extremely difficult. There are all kinds of stones that were abandoned because they were too large or difficult to remove or because they broke while carving them. It's interesting too that there are other pyramids in Egypt that pre-date the Great pyramids and their geometry is way off compared to the Great ones (i.e. the slope changes part way up). Others are stepped without the filler pieces to make it a perfect triangle. You can tell that they were honing their craft and learning from their mistakes. You can see the evolution of their building knowledge.

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