How I Won't Be Spending 2022

in #hive-1063163 years ago

My new/old house in a small upstate New York town has a tiny yard. At first I thought I could make do. I'd get some foliage up on trellises to provide privacy, fence the deer out all around so I could plant anything I wanted anywhere I wanted to, and eventually make it a little paradise. I suppose I could still do that, but I long for open spaces, and fragrant woods, and running brooks, and and and...

So today I went a lookin' for the perfect retirement getaway property. Check out what I found!

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I pulled up to the beginning of the driveway to the house, waited for the land specialist Paul (from Whitetail Properties) to arrive, and wondered how on earth we were going to get up the muddy, rutted lane. I knew my car wouldn't make it up the first fifty feet of the more than three thousand feet to go.

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Paul pulled up with this contraption on a trailer! I spent the afternoon riding (if you call being scared shitless "riding") around a ninety six acre parcel on this thing. At one point bramble got tangled in my hair and nearly pulled me out. My hair ripped out instead. Paul seemed to think he had taken his vehicular mischievousness just a tad too far, and took it easier on me after that.

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I could show you shots of several streams, forests, fields and muddy roads, with not a single sighting of another house, road, power line or car, but what I really want you to see is the cabin. Whitetail Properties says:

Open concept in its design, and impressive in its construction, this all hand hewn log home boasts massive cabers for the center beams, which are 14” x 10”, with 18” x 24” log faces. The joists are 8” x 6”. The floorboards are made with wood from the property harvested by the Amish, and are a medley of Pine, Hemlock, Cherry and Ash alternating in width from 7”, 8” and 10” and fastened with custom made cut nails. The kitchen floor is pine, with a hardwood subfloor is laid at 45 degrees to the joists. There are three antique interior doors custom made from chestnut, and the main doors are detailed with custom made wrought iron hardware crafted by a Dutch Blacksmith. The chimney is central to the home and made with Georgia Brick, and the flue Ohio Superior Clay with a 6” I.D. This home is a true green experience with no plywood, no poly materials, no glues, etc. fashioned with dowels, windows with wood muntins and all natural materials throughout the home, living here is a fresh breath of being in sync with nature and the joy of experiencing an off grid lifestyle and green footprint.

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Who cannot understand my wanting to see this cabin, and to meet the now-elderly woman who has been living in it for the last thirty years?

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There's a pond behind the cabin

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Although I took a great many shots of the inside of the large cabin, it feels a bit invasive to publish those, so I've selected just two for you.

Madeline is a weaver, and there were bags and bags of onion skins in the loom room.

I could negotiate for any of the furniture in the house, except for this stove, which is going to Kentucky

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Here are two shots of the woods near the cabin.

There are several streams

I couldn't get closer to this mushroom. Ideas? It didn't have the coloring of turkey tail or reishi

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So far so good, eh? You want to have this property in your life too, right?

Let's move on to the day to day living.

Madeline is quite an interesting human. She has an impish smile, and she effusively exudes joy. I expected this of someone choosing to live as she does, and was very excited to meet her. She did not disappoint.

Madeline, who does not want me to publish her picture, is moving to Kentucky. She doesn't know where yet, and she knows no one there. I have no idea why she is leaving. If I had to make a guess, I'd say anyone who has been trying to live as she does in New York State can see the writing on the wall, and wants to flee to a more sane state. Perhaps she doesn't want to work quite so hard, but she is moving a second, smaller cabin on the property (in the shot with the vehicle) to Kentucky with her, and hopes to live in it, so I don't think that what I see as hard living seems hard to her.

She has lived on this property with nothing more than two propane fueled generators, one for a small fridge, and another to pump water when she needs more than what she can pump by hand at the kitchen sink.

She does not have a contraption to bring her up to the cabin when the road is impassable which, by the looks of it, is often. The road is on an old railroad bed, and has a rather long section that drops off steeply on both sides, not much wider than a railroad trestle. This was one of the points that scared me shitless. When her Subaru can traverse the road, she somehow manages to cross. If she needs supplies when she can't drive, she walks the 3/4 mile to the road and back again with those supplies. I expected her to have raised and preserved a lot of her own food, but she does none of that, so nearly everything she eats or uses, and everything her six cats need, has to make that that trek across a muddy expanse, often by foot, cart and sled. She probably forages; the property is abundant with natural food, and I saw a large box full of tinctures that appeared to have been homemade.

When I arrived, she was bringing a wheelbarrow full of wood in from the woodshed. The cookstove was blazing and the cabin was toasty warm, even though it is not insulated.

The house is not insulated, but the chicken coop, which appears to be in excellent shape, is. I understand that she did tend some livestock in past years, but there are none there now.

Then we got to the oddest thing of all.

Madeline eschews toilets in the house. The listing boasts a compost toilet, but apparently I am the first interested buyer to ask to see said toilet, as Paul had never looked inside that particular shed.

Paul said she must climb over all this stuff but

obviously, this compost toilet is not used.


Use your imagination to figure out where human waste goes. I was grateful I didn't feel the urge, if that gives you any ideas.

All this is not enough to turn me off, because this property is gorgeous, has had no toxic chemicals used on any of the 96 acres for more than fifty years, and the cabin is in excellent condition as far as I can tell. It was certainly built to last. But I cannot pay her price, not since I see a good hundred thousand dollars of work that needs to be done for me to even use it as a getaway. It needs a good road, a full bathroom, electric brought in and the house wired and plumbed, excavation near the pond, which is turning to swamp. How I had hoped to love this place, and its resident, and I do. But I can't afford the work that needs to be done, and I can't envision spending my retirement in the manner Madeline is spending hers.

My search for a retirement getaway continues. Maybe 2022 will be the year.

Happy New Year to all!!!

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Oh wow what I wouldn't give for that property. I'd be happy living in a tent there with the way things are going now.

Good luck with your search and the best to you in the New Year.😊

You wanna buy it with me? It's phenomenal. I just can't swing the price unless she comes down more than 100 grand. I don't want to insult her by offering so little.

Haha I would love it if I had as much money in my regular account as I do in my hive account. My hive account still wouldn't buy the front door haha.

I think you should just make an offer anyway. It's not an insult if you tell her how much you love it and would like to have it. That's the name of the real estate game.

Exactly as @carolynstahl says! It is the name of the real estate game - this based on being raised by a real estate agent (and selling property for 18 miserable months - I love looking at them and fixing them but selling them is not my idea of fun). Make her an offer @owasco! She can only say no....or......

Oh my gosh! That cabin is beautiful, very rustic. Almost as though it's jumped straight out of a proper fairy tale and found home on Madeline's land.

I know. It does feel fairy tale ish. Happy New Year!

I could get used to the toilet, but those windows would definitely need updating, I don't like chopping wood that much.
I'd think a couple truckloads of the right type of gravel would fill the ponding on the roads, but drainage work might be called for, too.
Perhaps a place with less yard would be better?

Oh but I love those windows! Who put in wood windows in the 90's? I didn't try to open any of them, but they all looked good.
There is a shorter distance to another nearby exterior road that I would make an entrance from. There's an electric pole out there too, so bringing in electricity wouldn't be a 3/4 mile event, more like 1/4 mile.
Perhaps a place with less land and needing less work, but getting this baby up to snuff would involve work I would enjoy having done. I just don't have the money. I have enough to buy the property, but there would not be enough left to make the repairs.

I was excited about having a compost toilet. No problem out there in a getaway. I envision putting in an outdoor shower with compost toilets closer to the cabin - this one is quite a distance away.

I had wood windows similar to those, I changed them out for modern windows and the heat bill went down noticeably.
I just don't like being cold.

I'm sure more looking will turn up something more suitable to your needs.

That looks like a great property. I'd be happy to have a year ahead of me to clean it up.

Me too! I just don't have the money to "clean it up" if I pay anywhere near her asking price. I'm trying to decide what to do, because I can't get this place out of my head. It's very special.

It's a beautiful house. Looks like Northern Slavic houses in Europe (except for that shiny tin-roof. It does need a bit of love and handiwork :) My parents would have bought it 15 years ago had they been New York staters.

I really want it! If it were in better condition, I would have made an offer already.

I showed it to my wife and she bought it right away from across the Atlantic. The toilet situation and bad roads only made it more valuable to her.

lol. Having to shit in the woods is of value to your wife?
Madeline did seem to think that having to lug groceries 3/4 up a muddy and rutted lane, which itself traverses a train trestle and plods on through the woods, was no trouble at all. Maybe your wife and she are of similar stock.

lol. Having to shit in the woods is of value to your wife?

The simple answer is... yes. Probably a niche variety of the Scandinavian cult of nature.

OMG!! That stove! I am with you with all of the above. Wanting and not being able to... Good luck with the search. I am sure the right place will find you!

Thanks! That stove is stunning. She also has an old Maytag washer that is pretty cool. At least I have started the search. This was the very first place I saw. Happy New Year!

Oh my word!! How stunning! Look at all the potential. That would be probably the best retirement for you dear @owasco! Can't you offer her less? Based on how much work and cost you would need to put into it......

I am considering doing that. Apparently, she got a full price offer as soon as she put it on the market 6 months ago, but that fellow has so far been unable to get the financing. Now it's being sold under a bump clause - if a better offer comes along, he's out. I'm not clear on how high a "better offer" has to be to bump his off the table, or how much money she needs to relocate to Kentucky.

The response I've gotten from people around the world on this property has me thinking there's no harm in trying, and an awful lot to gain. This place is less than an hour's drive from my house in town too.

Yup. We call the clause "subject too". From my experience a LOT of buyers offer the hoped for price (or even higher) when they can actually never come through and pay. Who knows why. So after six months you really have everything in your favour. Go for it!!

OK. I sent the email. Thanks for the support! I trust your sense of this, living as you do and the experience you've had.

Madeline sounds so independent, pragmatic, resourceful, and competent! (Like you!)
What an awesome cabin, and what daunting conditions. Indoor plumbing and heating, and passable roads, are a requirement. Without these, how would you ever attract visitors? If you don't want any, this place looks like the ticket to eternal hermitude.

An offgrid getaway sounds awesome, but the reality can be quite lonely. May you find your hideaway and send us lots of pictures when you do!

What a find! Too bad it's 'way out of your price range. By the way, that bit of road in the photo resembles our road in the spring. Alas.

It is a beauty, isn't it?
So I have a question - does the driveway level out in better weather? I'm worried it could dry out into deep ruts and still be impassable.

We live in a semi-rural housing development with privately-maintained roads. The dues are minimal, and barely enough to cover road maintenance. But a quorum is needed to vote on raising the dues, and we've only seen a quorum once or twice in 23 years. So the road committee does the best it can with 20-50-yr-old equipment. That said, March is usually the worst for the road conditions, when the snow and ice are still melting away. It gets very muddy and rutty, and can't be graded until it dries out. Then it's pretty good until August or September, when the "washboard" begins to develop and it's too dry and dusty to grade. If it was a private driveway, I have no idea how it could be maintained unless one hired someone with the proper equipment.

That was brave of you to hop in that little contraption for an off-road adventure with Paul lol.

Through the photographs, I find myself having mixed feelings about this cabin. Overall I really like it and can see it certainly was built to last like you stated. I love that old stove and kettles, no surprise they are not part of the deal lol.

There's a creepy vibe to it but more on the subtle side in my opinion. It wouldn't be enough to sway my living in it, and perhaps is even attractive in some ways. Doesn't everyone love spooky cabins in the woods?

I think your assessment of the money that will need to go into the place to make it suitable for your needs is really pretty accurate and realistic.

Are you going to make a regular thing of finding cabins deep in the woods where you have to go off roading with strangers? I love how you get spontaneous like this, more... please more!
Great post my friend 🤗

Yes!!! I am determined to find a place to go, off grid as much as I can tolerate.

It wasn't spooky at all, but I spent an awful lot of my time as a youngun traipsing around in woods around here, and feel safer in them than almost anywhere else on earth.

Another big problem with the place is that the grounds near the house are littered with discarded equipment and decaying structures, much of it half buried in muck. That part was dismaying, but not spooky. She does all she can, way out there by herself, and I believe she doesn't see the refuse, or that the house is likely to sink if the drainage around it isn't improved. Maybe that's what you are picking up on. This, I think, is an easy fix simply by making the pond drain readily into the stream (pictured). As it is, it is seeping its way there.

mushroom. Ideas?

No idea what 'name' Hyumis give them but we often see them growing in the Scottish woods around here :)

You want to have this property in your life too, right?

Too woofin' right! Shame you couldn't stretch to it - sounds like you would/could do wonders with the place. But yeah, a Dawg could spend the rest of her life doing it up with her Hyumi and still have more to do ...it'd be nicer starting a lil' bit further down that line methinks!

The Scots tends to say: what's for you won't go by you.

Here's wishing you find that place within the unfolding of 2022 🙏

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Thanks for stopping by! Love your comment.

what's for you won't go by you.

Perhaps because you will recognize the rightness from the first moment.

I do still want this place, The bones are perfect. But the land has not been kept up and will need an awful lot of work. I'd love to do that work, or have it done. There is a large Amish community here that would do it all without doing any harm. The thought of bringing in a backhoe seems wrong.

I would definitely get a dog to take there, maybe two. I don't have one now because the yard here is tiny, and there is no dog park to let a dog off leash.