Thoughts on Retirement・Early? Late? Is It Even Possible?

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Recently @livinguktaiwan wrote a bit about the idea of early retirement. Ah, the dream. Now today I came across this post from Nippon.com about the retirement age in Japan. So with it on my mind, let's see how long I can write on the topic.

The retirement age in Japan is 60. I don't know why 60 was chosen exactly. It may have something to do with in East Asian countries 60 is a special year, marking a rebirth of sorts. In Japan it's called kanreki (還暦) and marks the return to the same sign of your birth. In the West most people are familiar with the 12 animal year cycle of the Asian zodiac, but there is more to it than that. There are also five elements—earth, fire, metal, wood, and water—and these together make a 60-year cycle. Using myself as an example, I was born in 78 which was an earth horse year. The next time an earth horse comes will be in 2038 which will be my kanreki year.


Photo by isado

Anyway. In the past everyone retired at that age, but some people got part time jobs or even different full-time jobs. Some did it for the money, but others did it because they figured out retirement was boring and they wanted something to do. It seems like the trend has continued and the story I just read (again, linked above) talks about how now the number of people who work past retirement has gone up to 66%. Of those, it seems like the most common arrangement is to become a contract employee, presumably with a new company but it doesn't break that down. A large number of them seem to be given worthless jobs of directing foot traffic around orange cones...


Photo by Carsten

(Seriously. A lot of old men are assigned jobs by the city of directing people around orange cones. The city knows it's a worthless job, but it gives the old people something to do and a little money. Kind of charity in a sense.)

There has been talk of raising it from 60 for a long time. There was a JapanTimes article a month ago that said they finally did raise it for civil servants. This year it will become 61 and then it will go up another year every two years until it reaches 65. Here's that story.

Jumping to America where I am from, the retirement age is 67, but (as always) there is talk of that moving up. As in Japan, many people keep working after retirement, usually not guarding pedestrians from orange cones as in Japan, but as greeters in supermarkets and other mindless jobs. Some do keep doing their own thing. My dad, for example, is 74 and is a stock broker and financial advisor. He loves talking to his clients and loves doing his day-trading and has announced that he will be working until the day he dies.

My dad could actually afford to retire if he wanted. He has more than enough money in the bank (and in BTC) to live very comfortably. He continues work because he enjoys it. Most people, however, don't have that option and they continue because their pension isn't high enough and they never saved for retirement so they need to continue working for the money.


Most people's retirement savings - Image by Steve Buissinne from Pixabay

So all this in mind, I ask myself about how it will be for me.

I like to tell people that crypto is my retirement. I don't trust the pension in either country will be there for me in 20 years. If it is—bonus. But I'm not counting on it. That in mind, when I buy crypto I'm not looking at getting rich tomorrow and retiring early. I mean, that would be really cool if it did happen. It'd be really nice to finally for the first time in my life be able to not worry about money and just enjoy living. Travel a bit maybe. My wife would love that.

But I am not gambling a lot of money on those big plays and am instead eyeing slow growth that will give me a nice nest egg both to support myself and my wife in retirement but hopefully also be able to help our kids out in going to university or buying their first house. We don't really have blue-chip cryptos, but in the world of crypto BTC is relatively stable in comparison to most of the alt coins. Of course we have stable coins too like HBD, which is not only stable but offers remarkable growth potential with the 20%.

I definitely see my dad's point of view too. I enjoy writing, and in doing research on things like haiku and then writing about it. So "retirement" for me would just mean transitioning away from my "real job" (or jobs, in this case) and into doing Hive full-time. Spending my time on Hive would be a great retirement job.

How about you guys? What's the retirement age in your country? Do most people keep working past that age? How about you: what are your plans? Let me know in the comments.

(title graphic made by me in Photoshop using this image by MonikaDesigns from Pixabay)

Hi there! David LaSpina is an American photographer and translator lost in Japan, trying to capture the beauty of this country one photo at a time and searching for the perfect haiku.
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I am hoping with all my savings and planning I can be done right around 60. Still a lot of years ahead of me though. Maybe someday I can work on hive full time too. I think there are a lot of dreams of tha aorund here.

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Same here, on all points. This next bull cycle I hope to invest my earnings far more wisely than I did at the last cycle, so hopefully that will help things.

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Work on Hive or play on Hive? My plan is gaming... running around with kids calling me a noob killing me while i count my rewards as they kill me with NFT they rented from me or one of my scholarship accounts loaded with NFTs :)

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Even if retirement does become an option, I’m planning on working until the end. 😉

That said, I’d like to be working creatively and for myself in my 50s, 60s, 70s and onward.

Yeah..... I agree with you!

I am the same on both points! Well... I hope for the same on that last point.

I really feel like the idea of putting an age on retirement is an antiquated concept. I mean technically I can retire when I am 50 if I wanted to. I will have 30 years of service in and will be fully vested in my pension. Does that mean I will? I don't know. I still have until 63 or whatever it is until I can draw Social Security. I've gotta figure out something to do between 50 and then!

I have mixed thoughts on that. In a more balanced society, less uber-capitalist than the one we find ourselves in, then everyone should have a decent pension at a age young enough to still enjoy life. 60 seems good for that. At the same time, in our current world, the idea of a retirement age just doesn't make sense anymore, since few people get enough pension to pay for anything and will have to continue to work a little or drastically reduce their standard of living.

I don't think I have much social security coming. Never paid in except for a few years before I moved to Japan. So... it's continue to hope for that lottery win for me 😃

I've always been a bit skeptical that SSI will be around by the time I need to pull from it, so I have always done my own investments on the side to prepare for that sort of scenario. My hope now is that crypto can be even more of a supplement to those other investments.

Let's hope we can both do better in this next bull cycle and improve those retirement chances!

Yeah, I hope so too! That's why I have already started making those soft cap targets. I never get out early enough and it ends up biting me.

interesting facts, we are the same age, waiting for that horse year at 60 is no fun... I am hoping for a much earlier early retirement with some keen Hive L2 investments !PGM !PIMP

Awesome—another earth horse. Us 78 kids know that was the best year.

heh. Anyway I'm with you. I'd love to get to that point well before 60. Maybe in the next bull cycle I'll be able to pull ahead.

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Our long custom here in the Philippines is you retire at 60, but because of the low economic status that we have Filipinos are afraid to retire at 60 because they are still in need of financial support.

Most Filipinos do not have the capacity to have retirement money. Now companies allow people to work until 65 before employees are forced to retire.

I do want to retire at the age of 40. I am just reaching my 30s and still have a lot to prepare.

I hope you can make it! I'm now 44 so I missed that goal. But if I could do it before 50, I'd be pretty happy.

We talk about early retirement lifestyle all the time. Unfortunately, we don’t have enough savings. If we had enough money now, we would want to semi retire right now! I don’t want to give up hoping for that. I mean, I don’t want to stop working or doing something completely for our healthy lives forever as much as we can.
However, I can’t wait too long to retire!

heh we are in the same situation then. We can't afford it either but we wish for it. I always hope...

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