New Milestone: 3k Account Tokens

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I used to be able to mint more than 10 accounts a day.

But then Splinterlands blew up and now I'm lucky if I can even get 8 on average. More like 7.5 at this point.

So what?

Indeed.

Most people on Hive take the accounts for granted.
I, on the other hand, do not.
Hive accounts are precious.
They are pretty rare as well.
The demand simply doesn't outstrip the supply, yet.

Yet.

  • Hive accounts are a special kind of NFT.
  • This NFT can send and receive crypto.
  • It can issue second layer commands (Custom JSON).
  • It can be recovered should it be stolen.
  • All the keys can change.
  • All the meta-data can change.
  • The only thing that stays the same is the name (IE @edicted).

Thus far it is very thin to make that claim that Hive accounts have great value... because let's be honest: they don't. They use to be worth 30 cents, now they are worth $3. At the same time, we don't want Hive accounts to cost a lot because that would cripple our onboarding. Ironically, high value accounts are a sign that the network is doing very poorly and not scaling up well.

However, there are weird edge cases.

When we begin to think about Hive accounts as NFTs, we engage in some interesting scenarios. First of all, not all NFTs are created equal. Obviously @dragon is worth a hell of a lot more than @dragon12345. In fact, if you control the keys to @dragon, sent it; sent it now. I want to buy it. I will pay $20 for @dragon... no... $40... no... $100. Give me @dragon damn it I want it!

This is the problem

There is no market to buy and sell accounts. In fact, the person that owns @dragon doesn't know I want to buy it. I can't put a bounty on it; advertising is bad. This is a big issue because I know Hive will be a mecca for blockchain gaming. Any network that employs gaming as a core feature is going to need ways to buy and sell account NFTs. It's just obvious given all my experience with gaming and game economies.

This is why I blog about "Love Handles"

Basically would be a frontend for custodian accounts, onboarding newbies, and buying/selling accounts. I think the ultimate problem with something like this is that it would be really good if could get the other frontends on board.

For example, when you create an account on Peakd.com and the account is taken, what happens? It throws an error saying "no you can do that the account has already been created". What I would need to do is create an API that let PeakD.com check to see if the account was for sale on Love Handles, and then relay that information to the user if it is for sale. Might be a big ask, but these are the things I randomly think about.

Actually the ultimate problem is that I haven't worked on the project, nor do I have any plans to. I'm not going to create something like that proactively and do all that work before the market even exists. I've been playing a waiting game for a while. Been in a holding pattern too long. It's annoying, but whatever. Gaming on Hive must be big business before it worth it creating an entire platform just to buy and sell accounts like they're NFTs.

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Recycling accounts

On all WEB2 social media sites there are millions upon millions of accounts that are dead and unused. It's a little foolish to think that Hive or other WEB3 applications can employ the same strategy. Those accounts are dead in the water, being stored on a database as dead weight just on the off-chance that the user comes back to the platform.

Clearly Hive does not really have this luxury on a long-term scale. We can't have millions upon millions of dead accounts just sitting there. In fact, we already have too many dead accounts just sitting there, and rather than saving those accounts once in a centralized database (with a backup or two), we are saving them hundreds of times, redundantly, like jackasses. Every node that we boot up has to store this list of totally dead and pointless accounts. In fact I'm suddenly reminded how annoyed I am that I lost my account @irate in a boating accident. We need to make some rules for reclaiming old dead accounts who's keys are lost (using the 'reset') feature.

In any case, a frontend platform that leverages Hive accounts as NFTs completely changes the game. Even if an account only has a value of $1, never underestimate the incentives created by monetizing something, even if only slightly. All of a sudden, less accounts are getting created, and instead the ones that already exist are changing hands more. This can save a lot of money (RAM on search indexes) when we realize that Hive could have 100M users.

Also, what happens if Hive goes x1000? All of a sudden it costs $1000 to create a Hive account? Yikes! Again, we need a way to recycle accounts to counterbalance the scaling problems we are bound to encounter. If I have to listen to one more dev tell me we'll just "increase the blocksize" or "lower the cost to create an account" I'm going to lose my shit. How can actual devs on this network be that naïve? Scaling is not some trivial process that gets fixed by changing a number on the backend. I seriously shouldn't have to explain why to a dev. Stop it. Most Bitcoin forks only exist because of how difficult it is to increase blocksize. Scaling is difficult. It is known.

In fact Binance Smart Chain did this exact thing just recently. They tweeked some numbers on the backend and allowed "scaling" to occur without doing any of the actual work, and the network became totally destabilized. Anyone who uses BSC knows what I'm talking about. The nodes were a disaster. Devs were PISSED. Seriously the message boards... lol they were furious.

I don't even know 3000 people.

I have 3000+ accounts... but what am I actually going to do with them? Sell them when the time comes? Maybe, but probably not. Again, I view these accounts very speculatively and assume they will have great value in the future. Basically anyone I meet that wants a Hive account: I'll probably just give them one (even if they are expensive). Also they'd obviously have access to my RC pool, which I also assume will have great value in the future. Networking and building value is important, and I have very high hopes for Hive in the long term.

NFTs I've minted.

Not only do I own 3000+ account tokens, but also I've created over 1000 accounts. Most of them are pretty dumb. Some of them are flat-out domain squatting. I took the names of a lot of brands out there. Very troll move. They deserve it I'm sure. Do you think @bevmo, @vemno, or @revlon will mind? Also a bunch of drug names. @paxil, @vicodin, and @xantax are all mine :D. Hopefully all of these silly accounts I made will actually get some use instead of bloating the chain until the end of days.

Also I took @broca and @larynx...

Obviously @theycallmedan can have those ones if he wants them.
Until such time, they are mine.

Conclusion

Hopefully I can reach whale status before Hive blows up and become prohibitively expensive to buy. How many whales are there again? Like 34? Wouldn't that be something, considering my lowly beginnings. #dreambig

In any case, another day, another milestone. I now control 3000 account tokens. Perhaps they will only be worth 3 Hive each. Perhaps they will only be 1 Hive each (witnesses are talking about lowering the bar). I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think 1 Hive will be worth quite a bit.

Also I just think more people need to starting thinking about Hive accounts as NFTs. When a JPEG of an ape can sell for $20M... who knows what other kind of crazy stuff will happen in the next ten years. It's also Important to recognize that account recovery is an ingenious development that most people seem to take for granted even though very few networks actually offer it. A few big hacks later everyone will be looking to platforms that can avoid this problem.

Blah blah blah.
Ranting at this point.
Time to kill it.

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A rudimentary (but possibly effective) way to signal an account owner your interest to buy their account could be via an encrypted memo. Of course, the owner must know how to decrypt it. Otherwise maybe a plain text version would be better. freedom only communicates via memos, as far as I know, for example.

Most people on Hive take the accounts for granted.
I, on the other hand, do not.
Hive accounts are precious.
They are pretty rare as well.
The demand simply doesn't outstrip the supply, yet.

I believe ur word boss, but to me I believe is more than a gold

Wow, on behalf of all the forgetful and noobs...thanks for reminding me! I tried to do this once and it wouldn't allow me. I just did it and I am down to 6% rc now and I'll pretty much always at 100 whenever I've looked

Akab need those rc pools

Very good read thank you.

How do you create a new Hive account with a claim token?

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Identity, provable ownership, rarity- as only one of the names can exist, demand, are ingredients that make up an NFT. Hive usernames actually do fit as one. Nice thinking educated, again you’re early to this than most.

Haha vicodin! Reminds me of Doctor. House.

The guy always popping those pills like they are sweet.

Cool tho to see hive accounts as nfts.

I m still booting on this, but do you just create it and leave it till its worth is met.?

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Yep. Create and leave it. Might never get an offer, might get one. Imagine satan actually wants an account and you created it years ago, now he either has to pay you for it or deceive you into giving him cuz I heard he’s a master deceiver. But you get what I mean.

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Haha.. Nice one.
I ll get on with it.

So do you mean hive is more like an nft??

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First time , I realized hive account as NFT and Its very good to have so many account. I got a very good idea as you mentioned @dragon can be auctioned. Thanks for sharing your it.

3000 is alot! Everything would come in handy as hive grows bigger. For now, keep claiming! !PIZZA

Man I love all the chat around Hive accounts, keep it up!

If you've got time, how did you actually lose access to @irate?

And what would the ideal reset solution to get accounts like this back be?

I have no idea how it really works, but obviously the initial concern is that people would try to get control of accounts that were never theirs to begin with?

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Not me thinking of how many accounts to create right now, lol... I totally buy the idea of costly accounts, maybe I'll also need this to become a whale, better late than never :)

3 hive for account creation is to high if we are looking at hive to have mass adoption.
As at last week, account creation is server was signal error to those new that want to join, I think I noticed that.

I actually never thought of accounts as something that's "finite". They've always just been splinterlands accounts. It's an interesting take to consider accounts as NFTs, but if an account costs too much to make, then why would it be worth it to enter the space? I think I'm missing something xD

The idea is that if you can make a lot of money with a Hive account everyone will want them and they'll be expensive.

yeah and I guess you ll have to offer it to them at a cheaper but good money rate.
This is really prospective

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When you come in terms of gaming. I believe Hive will be the Best. Many don't take their account serious while the serious ones are making cash here.

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claim account creation token bet I haven’t heard that before until now . A lot of new stuff to learn on here , damn!!😅

did you find out how to claim accounts? I didnt see it in mine?

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No I don’t sir .

I don't really claim accounts anymore. Did once, so I have like 100 tokens or so.
I didn't really know what I would do with 100 accounts, so I stopped.

Selling the tokens, could be a good way in the future!
Otherwise I don't see the purpose since alot of the dapps are creating them to users for free x)

agree before it was easy to get a free account on hive now you can get a free account but there are not many accounts to claim as a lot are joined and I agree hive account is like nft which show it user

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😬 i dont even know how or if i can claim an account!!?? Lol now you have me thinking!! I hope it all pans out for you and then some!!! Go Hive!!

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go to your peakd wallet if you have enough rc credits there is an option by the delegate button that says claim account creation tokens

This is why i am grateful for crypto, the community. Thnx for your advise. I think i had trouble loging in to PeakD before, but i'll try again!! :)

with Hive Keychain is easy

what is the name of this account creation token. How we can utilize it does we use it to create new hive account? I mean how to do that any post or link @edicted

I have 3000+ accounts... but what am I actually going to do with them?

Same wonders here. I got 4105

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Also, what happens if Hive goes x1000? All of a sudden it costs $1000 to create a Hive account?

Not necessarily:
https://peakd.com/hive/@dalz.shorts/some-top-20-witnesses-are-now-signaling-1-hive-fee-for-creating-new-accounts

Accounts now cost 3 Hive. 1 Hive is at least being considered already. Witnesses could make it a fraction of a Hive if they chose to do so.

it's still worth something, I'll take even 0.001 hive please :)

right, but like I said in the OP:

If I have to listen to one more dev tell me we'll just "increase the blocksize" or "lower the cost to create an account" I'm going to lose my shit.

We can't lower the fee enough to make mainstream adoption possible.
Doing so puts that burden on anyone running a node.

I think it's far more likely that accounts will be issued on credit,
and users will not own their account until they've paid back the cost of creating it.

Guess I need to write another post about custodians and lite accounts.

This will be educative no doubt

I must say that this feat is for the uncommon minds.
WOw.. everyone who believes in the prospects of hive should see this and thats actually everyone

Its like buying a ticket to see an expensive movie cheap and selling it massive when the movie gets set.

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I knew this was a thing but I've never known how to actually do it. I need to figure out how to start claiming accounts.

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I remember once in a while to claim my tokens and I also noticed that I can get fewer now.

It always shocks me since the whales aren't that into the blogging side, they don't track and talk about RC credits. I mean if it's not about the bloggers, what you are selling is RCs.

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I don't even know how it feels to claim an account as I don't have enough RCs to claim a single one. Either way, I do think cleaning up dead accounts might be nice but maybe the funds from the dead accounts can do somewhere incase they do come back. In that case, their assets might come back but their handle might not. Of course...given enough time, the rest can be liquidated and added to something like DHF if nobody comes back in X time

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That's pretty awesome. I haven't been as regular about claiming my tokens as I should be. I was just reading a post by Taskmaster today and it got me thinking that I should start actually using my tokens and creating accounts for my friends. They might not be in a place where they are ready for Hive, but one day they might be and if they are, I want to be ready. I think I might start reaching out to some of my friends and seeing what they might want their username to be so I can start creating those accounts and storing the keys away in a safe place for when they are ready.

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That’s indeed quite thoughtful.

Nice milestone !
FYI you can set Keychain to claim accounts automatically when the RC percentage is high.

Autovoted for visibility

I've never had any luck with that feature.

Really? I've claimed about 3.5k accounts using it.
Anyways, we're currently running a huge refactor, and I'll double check it's working correctly before release.

It's been a while since I've tried.
Maybe even over a year.
I'll give it another go.

Ah yes it is working now.
Cool.

That's a brilliant concept. I fully agree with you that these account names should have been NFTs on the Hive blockchain just like Unstoppable Domain names or ENS Domains. A few days ago I wrote a post about how we can solve a huge problem on Hive. Posts should be NFTs so that a creator has a chance to monetize their content even after 7 day period. Like something you see on Hive? Collect it as NFT. In fact when a post-NFT is sold, people who voted or reblogged the post should be given a "reshare fee" from the person who bought the NFT. This would be a really cool feature to have.

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They use to be worth 30 cents, now they are worth $3. At the same time, we don't want Hive accounts to cost a lot because that would cripple our onboarding.

I think it is a critical issue for onboarding. I believe it should not cost that much if we aim to reach mass-adoption.
I recently saw Dalz's short post about the signal to decrease the account creation prices (from 3 HIVE to 1 HIVE). It's worth discussing ^^

I never thought of it that way before... Back in the day I used to do the domain buying thing. Bought any funny or random name that I thought might be in demand someday. Sold a few at a profit, but eventually got tired of the game and let most of them expire. Interesting to think of doing the same but with Hive accounts.

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