Just because Putin (and Russia) are evil bad guys doesn't make Ukraine a good guy.

in #deepdives3 years ago


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It's time for your red pill. Something smells rotten in Ukraine. The story is rotten, rancid, hinky; the story just doesn't add up

If there's one thing that any person who is paying attention should know is that the news media is lying. Not only are they lying flat out but their lying has a direction and purpose. Right now that purpose is to minimize the midterm red tsunami and keep the Rinos in orifice.

No. 1: I think this war is a WMD: a weapon of mass distraction to get your mind off the disasters Biden has created at home, including open borders, massive inflation, vaccine mandates crippling the economy, the worst crime wave in history, the worst retreat in U.S. military history from Afghanistan and $6-per-gallon gas.

No. 2: This is pure "wag-the-dog" theatre to save Biden from the worst polls in modern history. Instead of hating Biden, they want you to hate Putin.

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Well, I think we'll have to ask to Oliver Stone his opinion about taking the red pill.

Yeah! you can find and watch free the full documentary on Youtube too. };)

Oliver Stone?

Yep! he actually knows "something" about pills!!

He's a drug addict?

Kind of ....a political junkie! };)

I don't trust politicians, junkies, or journalists. Why should he be credible?

You never have to trust anyone. Just look at the facts presented as they have been presented, contrast them with what you already know and judge by yourself.

"look at the facts". Are they actually facts or are they propaganda? Do you trust journalist? Do you trust the news?

It's true the government of Ukraine is corrupt as hell.
So is the government of Chicago.
If Russia invaded Chicago, I like to think we wouldn't stand around saying "well, I dunno... remember how crooked they are," before standing up.
In a "gang war" where the smaller gang hasn't attacked anyone since the 1700's while the larger one is bombing maternity wards, shelling nuclear power plants, has displaced 2.6 million people in under 21 days and the figure is rising, and has pretty openly threatened nuclear strikes on NATO, it seems to me the larger gang is the bad guy here and let's be real: the US has never had a problem siding with a lesser evil against a greater one (nor should they have any such scruples because that's how geopolitics works).
Mao was a bastard, but we had no problem siding with him against Stalin.
Iraq and Iran were both run by bastards but we propped them up against each other to make sure neither could be a threat (until we crushed Iraq).
If Ukraine is not full of saints but they're the forefront of a showdown with Putin, well, the Army never cared about my moral character as I long as I killed Jihadis. Why should we be pickier about our allies than we are about our own troops?

what do you propose?

Well, putting aside my personal bias on this topic (which is not easy considering I was living in Kharkiv when the bombs started dropping), I'd say the best blend of geopolitical Macchiavellianism and some admittedly scant commitment to our ideals would be to do basically what we did in the case of Eagle Squadron and the Flying Tigers in WW2: don't get involved by name, but quietly funnel equipment and some ne'er-do-wells who know how to use it, with the goal of bleeding Russia for as long as possible until they're too worn down to march any further West.

That's actually a pretty good idea.