My New... Hobby

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We all know New Year resolutions tend not to be followed through. If that is the case, I wonder why are people still making them? Wishful thinking? Clean slate? I've heard the theory that it might be more likely to follow something you set your mind to and start on, let's say... June 9th, than at the beginning of the year. The theory says that it's more likely to want to do that and not feel compelled to follow a trend that is certainly strong at the beginning of the year. But the trend is strong when everything starts, nobody will jump and say when they give up on their resolutions a few weeks to a few months later.

It's not New Year yet, so why am I talking about this? First of all, because I assume we will have a decently long list of posts talking about that then. And second, because mine isn't a New Year resolution. I don't know how to call it either, at this time, but it's not that.

Apart from my Hive goals, I think I really want to learn Mandarin after all, after only dabbling with it for a short while. I don't expect to become proficient in the new language, but I do have a plan, and it's not something that one can apply in a few weeks or even a few months.


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After two days of allotting some time to my new let's call it hobby (there you go, it's a hobby!), I'm still in the phase of exchanging greetings and being polite, which is not far, but it is steady progress. I'm slowly figuring out pronunciation rules, which is good.

Although it's too soon for grammatical structures, I read somewhere a piece written by a Chinese speaker who brought some clarity in my mind both regarding the grammar in Mandarin (significantly simpler than Western languages), as well as how they use compound base terms to say what in the languages I am familiar with need distinct terms. Simpler grammar doesn't necessarily mean things would be easier for someone used to express events on a time scale given by tenses. In Chinese, tense is determined from context.

There was something else I wasn't clear about: if I should start learning writing at the same time with speaking. After a little research, it seems it's easier to at least understand and speak Chinese at a basic level before you start writing, at least for a Westerner. The few thousands hanzi characters seem more daunting than the spoken language, even though they can be learned in stages, with the most used ones first.

My plan is that by the end of next year I'll be able to partially understand Chinese videos or films without subtitle. The "partial" part is tricky, because it's too early for me to gauge how progress would go. I'd hope it to be at least 50%, considering one can understand from context as well.

Since I'm not considering moving to China or working for a Chinese company where English is not spoken, but more like a hobby, I won't be as driven to learn Mandarin as quickly as possible. But given how different Chinese is from everything I know, this will be a time well spent, in my opinion.

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After the last update, my phone got an AI assistant that is doing real-time translation for voice calls. If you whish, I can call you in Mandarin

Yep, I know AIs are great at translation. But like everything "smart" that surrounds us, it's one thing to use them, another to understand.

If you are not moving there, maybe doing the writing first would be more interesting. When I was learning Japanese at the beginning, learning kanji was my favorite part. The characters are so interesting. I'd learn the etymology of them, look at how the strokes changed, maybe how they changed again when they moved to Japan, and for some how they were simplified after the war (and how the Japan simplified form may be different from the Chinese simplified form). It's all super interesting. Hell, that is still my favorite part of the language, though I did have to eventually learn how to speak and listen better ;)

Thanks for your feedback! Very interesting, I'm sure I would love to learn all that.

Good luck. I think it's good to learn a new language and it's one of the most used languages too. You never know what will happen or when you will need it.

I don't expect to need it in real life soon, unless also by hobby I will want to learn more about their culture. Although at some point I might want to know more about Japanese too. Looks like I'll have my plate full for years, lol.

I've heard its best to start with 100 most used words. Then expand word list based on usage. 1000 words can get you through many common conversations. I've tried some Japanese. I'm a huuuge anime fan. Kanji are basically Chinese letters. But they are pronounced differently. It's a really cool feature actually.

It may take some time, but I'd also want to learn some Japanese too. It's one oriental culture that fascinated me over time.

Anime helped me pick up some fluency. If you have any genres you like I can recommend few for you.

I haven't watched anime in a long time. But you are right, it might be a good way to pick up the language. I'm not sure what I like, but I might take a look and after a while I might find out what I prefer.

Languages can be learned for the purpose of speaking for fun, buy then it gets truly interesting when you're putting the learned language to some more use cases

You are right. You never know how this kind of knowledge can be applied. At some point a few years ago I was looking for some job offers just to see what was out there, and it was a bonus knowing foreign languages (before AI became such a power player). Knowing English was a little bonus, but knowing Chinese (at that time and for that that type of jobs) would have really gotten you the job and probably a better salary too.

I wish I knew some form of Mandarin, you never could just have it as a hobby. Somehow somewhere, you can land a job, get some added benefits and all that..

It will take a good amount of time before I can learn enough to be of any use.

What’s Mandarin about?

That's the main Chinese dialect, spoken by over 1bn people.