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@lordbutterfly has received substantial payment he has falsely claimed he did not.

@lordbutterfly is lying about some of the largest disbursements Valueplan makes.

I wonder how the fucking hell anyone can imagine that you didn't get a big chunk of those $68,998.85 as "payment of personal fees" when it is not clearly specified in the memo that way?

¿Do you suppose people have to be soothsayers?

What you and Valueplan have to do is show to the community each and every receipt of what those funds were spent on, and see how much of those $69k was missing or how much was surplus and how many of those funds were reimbursed and only then we can be able to confirm whether it is true that not a single cent of those funds went to end up to your own pocket/wallet as you exclaim.

Are you seriously this deluded thinking that Valueplan would simply give me money.

Obviously everyone would feel this deluded unless you or Valueplan show the receipts and prove otherwise.

What is perfectly clear is that Valueplan sent $69k directly to your personal wallet and we still don't know how much, in what and how it was invested/wasted.

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    When you buy stuff there do you get a receipt?

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    Of course. You always get a receipt. What you may not always get is a formal invoice unless you ask for one. But a receipt is always there, especially when you pay by card.

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    Is there some kind of threat receipts present there, some security risk?

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      I'm not quite sure to understand what you mean by threat receipts?

      But nope, there is no such thing here. At the very least, you will always are gonna get the simple receipt issued by the points of sale every time you pay through debit or credit card large sums of money. For trivial and cheap stuff that you can pay with cash, probably you won't get any sort of receipt unless you ask for one.

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      Is there some kind of threat that receipts create to either the businesses that provide them or the people that receive them with their purchases? That's what I meant.

      So, for purchases of more than $100 you would get a receipt every time?

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      Ah, ok. I think I understand what you mean now. You ask me if might be some kind of "threat" to your security, privacy or anonymity if to get a receipt it requires you to provide more private or personal information than necessary with which someone later could track you and your purchase history?

      No, I don't think so. Over here you could get a receipt or detailed invoice with all the items you bought and their price without necessarily having to give your address or ID number and only providing your name or the name of any person in whose name the receipt or purchase invoice must be issued.

      Well, it's that simple unless you want to later deduct the amount from those receipts from your tax return or something like that. In which case then obviously you would have to provide your ID number and residential address to make them effective.

      On other hand, a few years ago there were stricter government controls that forced businesses to register you in their databases beforehand if you wanted to make a purchase from them. But now with the free circulation of the dollar in the country as a form of payment for your purchases, these strict controls have been somewhat relaxed.

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      Thanks for clarifying that, because @guiltyparties was putting forth security as the reason he would not provide receipts for the disbursements that the former SWC members are claiming were fraudulent. I didn't think there was any such concern, and you have confirmed it on the ground there.

      As I thought, he's blowing smoke up our skirts about security, which is just bullshit excuses to hide what the money was actually spent on.

      Thanks very much!

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      As I thought, he's blowing smoke up our skirts about security, which is just bullshit excuses to hide what the money was actually spent on.

      Exactly, that's correct. There is no major concerns or actual threats for anyone in Vzla for getting a receipt or detailed invoice for their purchases.

      Yeah, you only have to ask for them if you want them in case someone, through carelessness or negligence, did not give them to you automatically, without this having to be a threat or security issue for the business or for you.

      Thanks very much!

      My pleasure mate!