Why are HE tokens not thought of as dollar investments?

in #inleo5 months ago


Hello SPIers, today we ask the question why do we value Hive-engine tokens wrong?

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What do I mean wrong? I mean why do we talk about the value of hive-engine tokens as HIVE instead of dollars? You might be thinking, thats a stupid thing to think, we're on HIVE and we trade HIVE for tokens like SPI or EDS. Of course, they should be valued as HIVE.

But why?

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I've been running token projects for just over 5 years and I could count on 1 hand how many times someone has asked me the dollar value of a token. I've always thought of that as strange because when I check my HE token bag, I always look at the dollar price, I dont care how many HIVE they are worth to be honest because I value my crypto portfolio in dollars (and yes I live in the UK, lol). If we look at ETH's ecosystem, have you never heard anyone talk about the ETH price of ChainLink, PEPE or Tether? No! why? because they are priced in dollars like they should be. When you use the DEX (Uniswap) to buy them you need ETH to pay gas fees. It's the same on HIVE, we use a DEX (Tribaldex or Beeswap) and we use RCs we get from powering up HIVE to pay the gas fees. Beeswap offers token swaps without the need for wrapped HIVE at all.

I understand TribalDex is not a true second-layer and hive-engine tokens can only exist on HIVE. We dont have an SMT that can be traded outside of HIVE, on exchanges and AMAs in the same way an ERC-20 token can so hive-engine tokens in that sense are very limited. By the way, thank the crypto gods for hive-engine. It's been the only real innovation for the past 6 years. Lots of people talk, talk talk but hive-engine is an actual working product that is currently the glue holding HIVEs eco-system together.

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The guys at hive-engine price everything in dollars, here's a snap from their listing page. No HIVE mentioned at all, all dollars.

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The only token I can think of that I see people talk about in dollar value more than HIVE value is LEO. Maybe because they have had wrap versions that were being traded in dollar values on BSC, ETH and MATIC. Maybe they talk about LEO in dollar value in their AMAs and reports and it's rubbed off on token holders. I dont no Khal very well but I could guess he thinks of LEO token value in dollars and not HIVE. Maybe operators think in dollars and investors think in HIVE. Either way, number go up is good 🚀

What do you think?

Do you like it the way it is are you would prefer to see everything as a dollar value? Maybe this whole post is a moot point because I've been wondering for a few years now why people only care about the HIVE price. Even people who have used the SPI buyback deal, never ask for the dollar value, even when they are planning to cash out to fiat, they always ask for the HIVE price. 🤔


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Yeah, it is kind of weird. I suppose it's probably because they see it priced in HIVE when they go to buy some at tribaldex.

In my spreadsheets I always keep everything priced in dollars.

Someone above said, HE should use HBD instead of HIVE for trades. I like that idea

Its because for every one Dollar is something you can count with, without the need of a calculator.

If I see my Portfolio is 1000k$, I know i could buy a new PC for it.

If I would See it ist 4589 Hive, I need a calculator and the current Hive price.

Ok, with hive I wouldn't need it, can use my brain !LOL

But with eth 0,0004783 at a price of 3425 its difficult.

And it always depend on what you payed for something. How you calculated at that time. I think no one will know how much hive price was, when he bought SPI but He knows He paid x,xx Hive for 1 SPI. Thats why I calculate SPI and some other things in Hive, no matter what $ Value it was.

Thats a fair point, alot of things are sold at HIVE value that is easy to remember.

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I posted a number of times that HE should offer pricing in HBD too, but it doesn't. This would likely be a big project and they probably barely have funding to keep everything together. So yeah, I'd prefer to see prices in dollars (HBD) instead of HIVE. HIVE will never be a currency in which prices are set at any significant scale.

It would make alot more sense and would give a use case for HBD. The only reason I can think of is the HBD supply is alot smaller compared to HIVE. But aside from that, i think using HBD would be a no brainer.

By the way, @silverstackeruk, have you gotten my request from last Monday for @esd-d?

The only reason I can think of is the HBD supply is alot smaller compared to HIVE.

Yeah, I thought about that too. But if there's more demand for HBD more will be created by converting from HIVE.

Maybe a version of Hive Engine where everything is in HBD / $ and traded in HBD as opposed to Hive. Have always wondered about this myself. We understand dollars better and such would see to make sense.

YES, giving HBD that use case would be perfect and would price everything in dollars. Thats an excellent suggestion

Thank you. Love to maybe see it one day. Hive tokens (L2, maybe L1) in dollar$ like most everywhere else to be easier to relate to.