My Solar Power Generation December 2024

in #hive-12746616 days ago

Happy new year! As I write this the rain is hammering down and it has been really windy. The solar panels seem secure though. We were away for a few days over Christmas and this is when our system had another glitch. It has been fine for six months since the installer did some fixes, but the same breaker tripped again for reasons unknown. I shall report it again. I am not sure the inverter is reporting the correct figures for that period. I reset it when I got back and it is working for now. We cannot expect a lot of generation at this time of year when the days are short and the sun does not get high, but the days are getting longer now.

December generation

We spent a little less on power than in November. That may be related to being away and not charging the car as often. Those spikes will be when it was plugged in, but will mostly be on cheap rate. The other savings come from using the battery which gets charged up each night and so we use hardly any peak rate power which is three times the price of off peak. A lot of people could benefit just from having a battery, but solar will pay for itself in the long run.

Electricity spending

The government has plans to build a lot of new houses and they really ought to all have some panels. I see some that just have a few and that seems like a token effort. They will have people doing the roof anyway, so why not fit more panels that are pretty cheap?

I did not expect to export much power as the sun can barely keep the battery topped up during the day. We did get some sunny days though.

Export

In a couple of months we will have had a full year of solar power, so I shall do more in depth analysis then to see what the savings are. As the export payments have gone up this year should earn us a lot more.

I just saw this piece about small installations in Ukraine. Fitting some panels to your balcony is quite popular in Germany and it could help people who suffer frequent power outages. I read that these systems may not be legal in the UK as you are not supposed to just plug a power source into the existing ring main. Mine is more protected and will shut off if the mains goes down for safety reasons. People can run off-grid systems with a battery to keep appliances going.

Have a great year.

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Happy 2025 Steve!

And to you!

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It has been quite a bad month for solar energy. There have been so many overcast days. Let's hope the sun will be shining more in 2025!

We can't expect too much in the depths of winter. I'm still getting something even whilst it is raining.

No, winter is usually less sunny, but this year I have hardly seen the sun in December.
But the days are getting longer again.

It has been a grey winter. At least the battery did a great job for us.

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What setup do you have? I have been thinking about it for our house but we are in a zone were the breakeven is close to the lifetime of the panel.

We have 20x400W panels on a west facing roof, 5kW inverter and 10kWh battery. We are 52 degrees north. I think it will break even in about ten years and panels should last double that at least.

Seems the rainy weather will disturb the solar panel.
Is it often sunny over there?

Our weather is mixed and we do get some sunshine. It does not rain all the time in the UK like some people think.

I thought it rain more than sunshine.

We were supposed to get a moderate snow storm here, but we ended up getting nothing. It is kind of disappointing. My power bill was extra high this past month due to our Christmas lights. It usually goes down after the holiday.

You must have a lot of lights. The LED ones don't use much power. The weather has really changed here and will get cold for a while. Probably won't get snow though.

We don't have as many as some people, but I recently switched a lot of them over to LED. All but our Christmas Tree which is down now. I think in all I probably have about fifteen strings of LED lights.

Some people go crazy with their lights. We just had a few strings and none outside this year.

I don't know if my question is right or not, but I want to know that
Q: How solar panels work in winter (when we not see sun for weeks).?

They produce something as long as there is daylight and do not need direct sun. For us it is not very much right now, but in summer they can export enough to power several homes.

103 kwh is at least something and yes the battery would make a big difference if you charge it during the cheaper rates. I am enjoying using the solar and most new houses should have some sort of system which they could then add to if they wished..

Yes, new homes should be wired for solar and EVs.

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i also have a balcony module at home. but it doesn't help in the event of a power cut because the system needs electricity to produce power. It would work with a battery, but that costs too much and makes the whole thing uneconomical.
By the way, as of yesterday, all newly applied-for residential buildings must be equipped with a solar system (Germany).

Germany was always ahead on sustainable technology. I hope your panels are serving you well. The UK could have a lot more domestic solar.

Do you also have a portable solar charger as an emergency backup for mobile phones or small appliances? As you have an EV, would that work as a sort of emergency power back up?

I know folks who swear by small portable solar chargers with a solar panel as a source of emergency power independence. I suppose it's also a security and confidence factor. That should the unexpected occur that they would not be without basic power needs.

I don't have a portable solar. Years ago I bought a pocket one, but it was fairly useless for charging my phone. I don't use our EV much as son drives it. It has a way to provide 240V, but not tried that as you need to buy the extra cable. You could run things off the 12V lighter or USB ports, but nothing major. Power cuts are pretty rare here. We had one this year that lasted for at least an hour, but that was the longest I can remember in years.

A friend has a portable unit that gives mains power and we have used it for some outdoor gigs. I've just not had a need for one otherwise.

We've been lucky that for as long as we've lived in the countryside we haven't experienced any major power outages either. However, we do have a major Polar Vortex event coming next week. Or so the meteorologists say. Of course they are wrong half the time so who knows whether things will be as bad as they predict.

I think at the very least a portable charger for mobile and heating blankets would be helpful. https://www.ecoflow.com/us/river-2-portable-power-station

It's a problem if the power goes out when it is cold as our heating will not work even though it is gas. Heating with electricity would drain a battery pretty quickly. We have an ethanol stove, but it is not enough to heat the whole house.

It is about 2C today, but sunny so we are getting some solar power. We have south facing windows that get us some warmth from the low sun.

In the past couple of winters we've been relying more on heating blankets and heating pads than the main heating in the house. A two-story house means upstairs is hot and the lower level is cold. So, each of us has a small space heater and heating pads to keep things simple. That way the house heat can at a lower temp to keep better parity between upstairs and downstairs.

These type of issues are why two-story homes should come default with two units. One for each level of the house. No matter whether it is winter or summer, the difference between temps is noticable.

Ideally our house would have separate heating circuits for each floor as the bedrooms do not need warming during the day. I could fit valves with timers to optimise this. The house is pretty well insulated, so the savings may not be huge.

A lot of old houses just leak heat, so it gets expensive. I know some people use heated jackets so they can turn the heating down.

A lot of old houses just leak heat,

Yep, this old house has a sun room with single pane windows. I put up thick curtains between the two access points between the sun room and the main part of the house to close them in times of extreme heat and extreme cold. It works well enough for now.

It's below freezing here tonight, so I'll be sure to close all the curtains as it helps. My sister lives in an old house in Scotland. I think they are limited on what alterations they can make to 'preserve the character', but homes have to be liveable.

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Great to see the comparison. I tried using our batteries to provide power in the evening/night, but didn't like draining them down in the summer, when the risk of storm outage so high. I also wasn't sure the benefit here since we're not on the peak billing hours plan. It seemed a little over use on the batteries to drain them and pull power from grid to charge each day, vs. just leaving them charged and sending the power straight back to the grid (we get paid full price for power sent back up until a certain overage of use). Will have play around a little bit more with that now that the storm season over. Nice to see your stats for comparison.

Previously I was just charging the battery enough to keep us going until the sun came out, but now I can earn more for export than for charging it I may as well keep it topped up. Our system doesn't work if the power is out anyway.

When the panels are exposed to cold temperatures their efficiency goes up. Not sure if you knew about that aspect of things or not.

It's hard to check that as there is less sunshine now. My 8kW of panels are peaking at less than 2kW even when the sun is on them now. In summer they are only limited by the inverter.

I have had some issues with breakers as well. Here's what I learned.

A 48V breaker may still trip when you charge your batteries to full. As it's closer to 55v and exceeds the design of the breaker. Mine kept tripping. So I got myself a "t-class" fuse. Seems it's more designed for inverter applications.

I have yet to install it but I hope it solves my breaker problems.

I don't want to mess with my system when it's under warranty. They have installed a lot of systems, so you would think they would know about such issues. I've let them know it failed again.

I hope you can resolve your issue.

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