Network Effects And The Flywheel

in #hive-16792210 months ago

Many wonder why Hive is not taking off. The mantra seems to be "we just need more users". Unfortunately, over the last 6 years, we saw a lot of people come and go. This leads to the questioning of retention. What can we do to retain the users who do arrive here?

The fact this question is being asked shows what is lacking. In short, it is the network effect. We can also see how this effects the value of the ecosystem. Platforms are not being designed in a way that properly utilizes the advantages offered by the digital world. Hence, they do not realize the flywheel effect, which would increase their value.

So what does this all mean?

Fortunately, what is being stated here applies to all of Web 3.0. This is why we still are living in a Web 2.0 world. The transition is not happening because there is nothing to transition to. The industry as a whole has failed to capture what the true transformation power. It is a problem since the incumbents are well aware of how this operates.

In this article we will dive into the basics of platforms and how this can set off the flywheel effect. Anyone who can design this for their applications will realize enormous success.


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Flywheel Effect

What is the flywheel effect?

Basically, this is a concept where we see a digital platform simply become a self feeding proposition. For the most part, it deals with the monetary component of things. Traditionally, this meant revenues (or profits). The poster child for this, in my mind, is Amazon.

The basic process is one aspect of the platform feeds into the other. For example, the selling of ebooks was enhanced by the introduction of Kindle. The company started to sell these hardware devices, using a protocol it designed, thus earning a profit. Of course, this allowed it to sell more ebooks.

Essentially, the small wins that are started early on expand over time. As they add up, we see a compounding effect. For example, Amazon, at one time, had thousands of titles. They kept expanding the offerings, with each addition adding to the network. This allowed for the introduction of physical books, then other products, and finally logistics.

With Amazon, what was the "breakthrough" moment. There is not one. It was a long succession of activities that resulted in a massive difference when viewed in totality. The key is that, over time, the "flywheel" spins faster as the victories add up.

The idea was coined by Jim Collins in his book "Good To Great". In the digital realm, it really becomes evident since platforms are able to expand in many areas, expanding the tentacles.

Ultimately, this is resulted in some of the most valuable companies in the world.

Digital Platforms And Network Effects

We covered this in a previous article, so we will not dive too deep.

The challenge with network effects, or Metcalfe's Law, is the idea that every node on a system is equal. This is not the case. We know there are "hubs" in all networks, one that have a greater impact than others. On a social network, this could be a superuser or a celebrity. On the Internet, this is a server network that is heavily used as infrastructure. In biology, this is the heart versus the appendix.

Another issue is people usually think of social media and users for the network effect. What gets overlooked is how Amazon, Spotify, and others do not fall into this category.

Under the usual premise, we have a situation where there is direct interdependency. People use a social network because their friends and family are there. Getting them to move away is very difficult. Content creators go to where the audience is.

This is a simple concept. Yet it is only the tip of the iceberg and, actually, the result. Amazon, Uber, and Netflix have network effects yet the users have no dependency upon each other. Do you care if Aunt Sally has Netflix uses Uber or shops on Amazon? Will that prohibit (or entice) you from doing it?

Of course not.

Therefore, we have something else in play.

Web 3.0

What is Web 3.0 missing?

Just looking at Hive, the problem becomes clear. We do not have much that is seeking to kick off the flywheel. Most are looking for the massive strike. Platforms are not leveraging the opportunities in the digital world to their advantage. This goes right down to the user base.

We can see this through the conversation. The focus tends to be on mass adoption. When will it happen? How do we retain users? What will it take to get them to convert?

These are all the wrong questions. The answer is very simple: give people a reason to switch.

Facebook did not become a success because it targeted traditional media and looked to convert their customers. Instead, it created it owns market by offering something people could not get elsewhere.

Of course, this is social media which is in contrast to Amazon.

Let us look at this another way. We will presume Web 3.0 truly kicked off with the introduction of smart contracts in 2015. This might be an arbitrary date but it works for our example. Twenty years earlier, in 1994, Amazon was started by Jeff Bezos.

We are now roughly 9 years into the smart contract age. When Amazon was 9 years old, it had revenues total over $5 billion. This is a drop in the bucket compared to what it would become but it illustrates the point. How many companies/platforms in Web 3.0 are generating $5 billion? In fact, how many even have a token value that high (projects not networks)?

My guess is we have not see it yet.

So what is the deal? How can this be the case? Looking at Hive, we see the answer. While we are still awaiting infrastructure to be completed, there is little discussion about the concepts mentioned in this article. It is becoming evident that most are not aware of the realities of the digital realm.

When we look at the largest companies, by market capitalization, we see 4 of the top 5 being platforms. What does this tell us?

The answer is clear.

Web 3.0 Communities

If Web 3.0 communities are going to be successful, they best start working on these concepts. There is a lot more to this game than simply getting more users. That is going to fail, as we have seen for 6 years. To date, the largest aspect of this entire industry is trading. That is nothing new. People will trade seashells if they can profit from it. In that instance, cryptocurrency is nothing more than another asset to speculate upon.

Everyone is looking for the answer outside. It is to the point that it is an epidemic. Of course, this shows up in the results.

How did Amazon, Spotify, Meta , Google (search), and Uber become so successful? If one simply because they got more users, it is missing the entire premise.

Platforms allow for the capturing of small scale network effects and spreading them through the entire community. This is what sets off the flywheel.

It will not happen if people are living on the Web 2.0 platforms.


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I think the points you brought up will definitely help with the retention. But I also think we need to change how Hive is being marketed to new users. They are told that they can earn a lot just by posting. What ends up happening is that they earn very little on their first few posts and end up quitting. The better approach would be something like, "Hey, I saw you are posting travel pictures on Instagram. Why don't you try posting it on Hive too, and maybe you can get a few bucks while you're at it." If we saw an account on Twitter gets banned unfairly, or their post gets taken down, we can point them to Inleo.

We need to inform them of the benefits of Web3, and not just entice them with the chance of making money.

People need to stop thinking of Hive as a social media network. It is not that. We are dealing with a database can be used for a variety of purposes.

The social media is built at the platform level.

I think the only way for the variety of purposes to materialize is if a big company decides to invest in Hive.

So you are saying the only way anything other than social media appears if with VC money.

With the current market situation and public sentiment, in a way, yes. Those "variety of purposes" need a good amount of capital to pay for the writers, the servers, and other fees. They can maybe try to go for ad revenue, but I don't think it will be enough. If they try to offer something already existing and established in Web2, then it will be an uphill battle of trying to get users. With low users, I don't see a lot of advertisers coming and paying a lot.

Fascinating analysis on Hive and Web 3.0 in general. It has made me think about creating unique value in these platforms. The example of Amazon and the flywheel effect is a crucial point. However, here comes my somewhat controversial perspective: aren't we putting too much emphasis on replicating past models of success in a rapidly changing world? Web 3.0 should not simply be an improved version of Web 2.0.

I believe that true innovation will come from breaking with the established, not from following an existing model, however successful it may have been. Perhaps we are failing to see the potential of Web 3.0 because we are too busy adapting old formulas to a new paradigm. Web 3.0 needs to go beyond simply being a platform with more users or a better network effect. It should be about creating something radically different, something we can't fully imagine.

aren't we putting too much emphasis on replicating past models of success in a rapidly changing world?

No. It applies to all networks, not only web 2. Hell, it isnt even digital. This applies to social, biological, and economic networks also.

It is part of nature. This is part of the reason why Web 3 is failing, few understand this aspect of growth. Complex systems are not random. They follow similar paths.

Indeed, all systems have their organization, their symbiosis with other systems, and their mechanism to evolve.

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well said friend, you must give people a reason to move. Just as the name 'hive' implies, it should be a community that breed a group of unique people who sense a full belonging to the platform. Not having to go else where to source for info or relevant ideas. If this happens, we continue loosing users in the process. It's user friendliness needs to also be improved upon.

Flywheel effect - I'm definitely adding this to my vocab ! This is clearly using what you have to get what you want ultimately.

As regards onboarding new users on here , I feel Hive is really for people who have the flair for content making and online engagements. It's so hard convincing someone who hardly reads what he or she isn't naturally interested in to cook up contents on here or engage other people's works.

I wonder why the Bitcoin network grew to its current size despite the massive negative publicity.

It was a database that served a purpose. There was no confusion about what it did.

Hive has people talking a lot of stuff that doesnt apply. Also, at least bitcoin proponents used it. With Hive, we see the network effects being given to Web 2.

I wonder what's Hive's Unique Selling Proposition (USP) to people. It appears there are too many.

Decentralized text database.

That is what a blockchain is. People mistake the second layer stuff for Hive. If people focused upon the database aspect and left the other stuff to the platforms, we would be further ahead.

I think INLEO’s model now could be the catalyst. If only there is also a simpler version of a native app that could make it easy to use INLEO. Could be a game changer!

New users will keep leaving hive because it's not new user friendly, the policies are anti new user. Even some of us that have stayed long on hive are still struggling.
I made a post about it, you can check it out
https://hive.blog/inleo/@zeezee25/hive-is-a-bad-blogging

What about attracting groups that have relatively big followings but are considered undesirable by many. Anywhere from the biggest like Alex Jones to smaller content creators like Mark Collett, a British Nationalist, or even people that are against Zionism?
Mark Collett has 14K followers on Odysee.
Many of these types, like the GDL have people streaming from 8am until 2am with active audiences. Processing credit cards is always an issue for dissident voices.
My question is Hive vulnerable to Ddos attacks? Would the community shun people that are very tribal? Would others flee from Hive if a group of a few thousand sign up and are users on Hive?
Would it be a net negative?
Keep in mind groups that track these kind of groups would also sign up specifically to track them.

Whatever the community, whether desired or not, tends to fail in the pulling over. The challenge, from a social media perspective, is the fact their contacts are on the main sites. So even if the communities get zapped, the individual members tend not to.

This is why going after the network effect of users is failing. It is the same story with influencers. We played this song many times before.

Even if they show up here, what is there for the to utilize?

The main utilization would be the monetization of their live streams. Unfortunately, looking at Vimm, there seems to be no way to convert Gems into Hive or HBD or direct payment onto the card you use to purchase the Gem. Streaming is the main income for a few or a good supplemental income to finance their activism.

Income is one aspect. People also need to start thinking equity. That is the mindset of a business owner.

Agreed, even though I have put in about $2,500 in cash to buy Hive at an average of around $0.60 per Hive my current equity is about the same at the current price of $0.31. My guess on the next bull run Hive will top out somewhere between $7 to $15. Too me that is a good bit of equity. Next bull run is a way off IMHO but my guess is mid 2025 to 2026. No crystal ball here, just a hunch. I am just happy to be back on here adding to the community.

Could be. I agree no way to know when the bull will hit.

In the meantime we can add to the equity by building. Things like Music on Leo will add value to a platform like Leo. That should help the stake people have.

I feel like the beauty of Hive is the way it allows creators to make money, easily. I don't mean they can get rich easily, I just mean there isn't a lot of work involved compared to older methods. Yes, Peakd, Leo, and the like are great for blogging, but there is the foundation for other forms of media to thrive... if the tools were available. I already mentioned @steepshot in a post recently, but there was also @dsound. These are just two examples of the kind of platform(s) that could be built on Hive, it just has to be worth it for the developers to fully flesh out their platform. Hive, as a means of exchange is simply amazing, we all know that, but the things on top of it are limited. I truly wish I was a developer because I would focus on creating these Hive-based alternatives to existing platforms. Imagine there was a real Instagram competitor on Hive! What about a Bandcamp or SoundCloud alternative?! Independent creators could benefit in such a huge way, and it wouldn't have to depend on the network effect like Facebook's.

I'm so excited to be active on Hive again, and I wish I could do more to help develop the ecosystem. At this point I just want to help engage with folks so it doesn't feel like talking into the wind.

We have a bandcamp alternative, it's called @blocktunes. I have also tried to create e-commerce alternatives with @hivelist the problem is that nobody uses them as intended, or at all. I will argue that one huge problem is the lack of user base that is attractive to the mainstream. We are like the island of misfit toys in a way. Most of us hate mainstream social media, that's why we are here, but we have to figure out how to attract the users from the other platforms.

Going back to the music situation, while I was building BlockTunes.net, another platform rose up called Emanate on EOS then eventually Polygon, but they have recently shut their doors, unfortunately, because of lack of use. Web3 and crypto as a whole is still a very small niche. You go offline and talk to actual people in the real world, and most still think it's a scam, don't understand it, or regurgitate what is on MSM. Like my grandmother can't even say Bitcoin correctly, but she can sure talk about the poofy headed SBF and his scam, lol.

I am coming to the conclusion after trying to be someone who provides these kind of alternatives, that we are either too early, or it is never going to happen the way we want it to. It's just facts. I mean look at the fact that Bitcoin is now a 'digital gold' versus an alternative peer to peer currency that it was supposed to be. We were supposed to be all buying coffee with Bitcoin by now, but you see how that is going.

Thanks for telling me about BlockTunes. I hadn't heard it, but I'm very glad to know it's there.

I like the comment on us being the island of misfit toys, I feel like that sums up the Steem/Hive/Crypto experience quite well. I do agree though, we are all way too early, or just delusional. I'm hoping governments will eventually allow crypto to live as it was envisioned, but even as I was typing that I was calling myself insane.

The point of crypto was to stick it to the man, at least from my viewpoint and we need to get back to that mantra instead of bowing down and kissing the feet of the governors as if they have any real authority over anyone. This is one reason I have moved most of my savings into Monero. That is one community that still believes in the OG virtues of the space.

I agree, crypto was absolutely supposed to be the alternative to the fiat institutions. Unfortunately, a great number of people have gotten scared out of using it that way because of laws and regulations about its use. Politicians really don't like people coming in and trying to do business without them.

Here you have well meaningfully detailed and educative post , one thing is an individual business flywheel supposedly system definitely not same. Truth is Spotify , Amazon , Google among others truly get success and respectively have successful business running.

Coming back and projecting Hive supposed flywheel system, it should be quite true indeed that over years lot has come and go.

But , Hive might have kind of unique reasons for seeking more new users. Yes , the main stress here is all about retaining factor ; and when such factor in close relations to said infrastructure will be in place.

Talking about Web3.0 , here I case as you indeed touched if as meant. Said Web3.0 get established and set up to that extend of getting serve it core purpose that will definitely get retaining factor within and , further work the whole needed marketing factor more organically.

I am really glad to learn something informative new today which will flywheel effects