The Shocking Truth about Nationalists in Ukraine!

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When I started this whole story with fake propagandists, I completely forgot that I had to start with a completely different topic. Therefore, all my other investigations and texts are postponed to other days, and today we will talk about the same nationalism in Ukraine.

Коли я розпочала всю цю історію з фейками пропагандистів, то геть забула, що починати потрібно було з зовсім іншої теми. Тому всі інші мої розслідування та тексти відкладу на інші дні, а сьогодні поговоримо про той самий націоналізм в Україні.

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I always had a question for the people of russia and its supporters of Ukraine when they shouted something about the fact that we are all nazis here. The question is quite long, but you can immediately find the answer and just think a little. So, when a conditional Spaniard living in Spain says that he loves his country and language, wants the development of the country, wants the traditions of his country, prominent people of his country, the history of his country and all that to know every resident of Spain, and his country respected by others, who is he? Right! Patriot.

В мене завжди виникало одне запитання до жителів рф та ватників України, коли вони щось кричали про те, що всі ми тут нацисти. Запитання досить довге, але в ньому одразу можна знайти відповідь та просто трішки задуматись. Отже, коли умовний іспанець проживаючи в Іспанії каже, що він любить свою країну та мову, хоче розвиток держави, хоче, щоб традиції його країни, видатних людей його країни, історію його країни та все подібне знав кожен житель Іспанії, а також щоб його країну поважали інші, то він хто? Правильно! Патріот.

When an Englishman says the same about Britain, he is a patriot.
When he says the same thing, even a russian about russia is also a patriot.
But when a Ukrainian says word for word everything written above, he is for some reason a Nazi.
WTF?

Коли подібне говорить англічанин про Британію - патріот.
Коли те саме говорить, навіть, росіянин про рф він також патріот.
А от, коли українець слово в слово говорить все написане вище, то він чомусь нацист.
ВТФ?

Why can the whole world be proud of its country, history, language, and a Ukrainian does not have such a right? Everyone immediately starts mentioning Bandera, the red and black flag, evil nationalists who eat russian-speaking children, oppressing russian-speaking people in Ukraine, some "punitive battalions" catching these russian-speaking people and forcing them to dig subways in Lviv(and there is no metro in Lviv!), etc. I can't understand that. And now let's go into more detail about everything. I will describe this with the example of my life and the stories of the people around me.

Чому весь світ може пишатись своєю країною, історіє, мовою, а українець такого права не має? Одразу починають згадувати всі про Бандеру, про червоно-чорний стяг, про злих націоналістів, котрі їдять російськомовних дітей, про те, що начебто в Україні притісняють російськомовних, про якісь "каратєльні батальйони", котрі ловлять цих російськомовних та змушують копати метро у Львові і так далі, і так далі. Я не можу зрозуміти цього. А тепер давайте більш детально про все. Опишу це на прикладі свого життя та історій тих людей, котрі мене оточують.

Російськомовних притісняють / Russian-speakers are oppressed

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First of all, I wanted to write obscene words under this item, but I'm cultured, I write in general, so I paraphrase in ordinary words - are you in your right mind? During my 28 years of Ukrainian-speaking life, I can say that we still need to understand who is really being oppressed here. I will explain why. For the longest possible period of time, almost all TV content was russian. And entertainment, and programs for general development, and movies and TV series. We have a news broadcast on many channels in russian. As a teenager, I also read all sorts of magazines in russian.

От першочергово мені захотілось написати під цим пунктом нецензурні слова, але я ж культурна, я пишу на загал, тому перефразую звичайними словами - ви в своєму розумі? За мої 28 років україномовного життя можу сказати, що ще потрібно розібратись кого тут притісняють насправді. Поясню чому так. Максимально довгий період часу практично весь контент на ТВ був саме російською. І розважальний, і програми для загального розвитку, і фільми та серіали. В нас новини виходили на багатьох каналах російською мовою. В підлітковому віці всілякі журнали я також читала російською.

There was not much quality Ukrainian content. Especially in my small town. If I were in Uzhhorod now, I would photograph several magazines of that time to prove the fact of russian. My younger brother read comics in russian, and at school, I had the opportunity to read and study works of russian classics in the original. That is, in russian.

Якісного українського контенту було не так багато. Особливо в моєму маленькому містечку. Якби я тепер перебувала в Ужгороді, то я вам сфотографувала би декілька журналів того часу, щоб доказати факт російської. Мій молодший брат читав комікси російською, а я в школі мала змогу читати та вивчати твори російських класиків в оригіналі. Себто, російською.

I will say more, for a certain period of my life I myself was russian-speaking. It happened at my first job, I was 17, almost all my colleagues spoke russian, I learned information about cocktails and coffee varieties in russian (I worked in a coffee shop), so at some point, I started to communicate exclusively at work. And during this period I went to Lviv several times. And you know what? My tongue is in place, no one threatened me for russian. I'm sure many of our bloggers will confirm this.

Скажу більше, певний період свого життя я і сама була російськомовною. Це трапилось на моїй першій роботі, мені було 17, практично всі мої колеги спілкувались російською, інформацію про коктейлі та сорти кави я вивчила російською (я працювала в кав'ярні), тому в певний момент я почала на роботі спілкуватись виключно так. І в цей період я декілька разів їздила у Львів. І знаєте що? Язик мій на місці, мені ніхто не погрожував за російську. Я впевнена, що багато наших блогерів це підтвердять.

And what is now called the oppression of russian-speaking are Ukraine's usual desire to KEEP its language. Explain that it is bad to have certain quotas for Ukrainian music on the air? What's wrong with studying in Ukraine being Ukrainian? What's wrong with being Ukrainian in official life. In other cases, you have the right to speak at least Chinese. Tell me, foreigners, how are you there with your native language in your countries? Is German or French threatened with destruction and oblivion because your language is dominated by another language? I know the answer to this question is no. Because I can't imagine a German politician addressing his people in Chinese. Or that you have QUOTAS in your native language because something else prevails everywhere.

А те, що сьогодні називають утиском російськомовних пропагандисти це звичайне бажання України ЗБЕРЕГТИ свою мову. Поясніть, що поганого в тому, щоб були певні квоти на українську музику в ефірі? Що поганого, щоб навчання в Україні було українською? Що поганого в тому, щоб в офіційному житті була саме українська. В інших випадках у вас є право спілкуватись хоч китайською. Скажіть мені, іноземці, як у вас там з вашою рідною мовою в ваших країнах? Чи загрожує німецькій чи французькій знищення та забуття, тому що в вашому інфопросторі переважає якась інша мова? Я знаю відповідь на це запитання - ні. Тому що я не уявляю, щоб німецький політик звертався до свого народу китайською. Чи що у вас є КВОТИ на рідну мову, то що всюди переважає якась інша.

I have many russian-speaking friends who confirm the fact that they have never been oppressed because of the language of communication. But you know what's interesting? They are now switching to Ukrainian en masse. Explain why? Because putin say that he came to save russian-speakers. Killing them and destroying russian-dominated cities. To hell with many people in Kharkiv who spoke this language. And bombs are dropped on them. In Odesa, similarly, the vast majority of the population speaks Russian, but our city is threatened with landing descent. Is it protection? Is the murder of russian speakers protection?

Я маю багатьох російськомовних друзів, котрі підтверджують факт того, що ніколи не зазнавали утисків через мову спілкування. Але знаєте, що цікаво? Вони тепер масово переходять на українську. Пояснити чому? Тому що путін прийшов рятувати російськомовних. Вбиваючи їх та знищуючи ті міста, де переважала російська. В Харкові до біса багато людей спілкувались саме цією мовою. А на них скидають бомби. В Одесі, аналогічно, переважна кількість населення спілкується російською, але нашому місту загрожують десантом. Це захист? Вбивство російськомовних це захист?

Do you know what is happening at the same time in the western regions of Ukraine, where Ukrainian predominates? Internally displaced persons are fed, clothed, sheltered, and treated. And all this is done by Ukrainian-speaking people for Russian-speaking people.

А знаєте, що в той самий час відбувається у західних областях України, де переважає українська? Вимушених переселенців годують, вдягають, надають їм житло, лікують. І це все в більшості своїй роблять україномовні люди для російськомовних.

Так, ми можемо сваритись в своїй країні. Про мову, про релігію, про те, хто за кого голосував, про ЛГБТ чи фемінізм, про фільми та серіали. В нас може бути тисяча коментарів під новинами в Фейсбуці, але це наше право. Ми маємо право не мати однієї думки на певні запитання в мирний час. Проте, як показує 21 день війни, коли до нас приходять зі зброєю ми єднаємось. Забуваємо про старі суперечки та допомагаємо одне одному. І суперечки людей це не привід йти до нас війною.

Так, ми можемо сваритись в своїй країні. Про мову, про релігію, про те, хто за кого голосував, про ЛГБТ чи фемінізм, про фільми та серіали. В нас може бути тисяча коментарів під новинами в Фейсбуці, але це наше право. Ми маємо право не мати однієї думки на певні запитання в мирний час. Проте, як показує 21 день війни, коли до нас приходять зі зброєю ми єднаємось. Забуваємо про старі суперечки та допомагаємо одне одному. І суперечки людей це не привід йти до нас війною.

Бандера / Bandera

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A word that frightens russians. Let's go in order. Who is Bandera for Ukraine and its history? This is a man who embodies the spirit of independent Ukraine. I will say more, we have a lot of such surnames, but for some reason only he became the most popular, but if I now started to retelling the story, one post will not be enough.

Слово, яким лякають росіян. Давайте по порядку. Хто такий Бандера для України та її історії? Це людина, котра уособлює в собі дух незалежної України. Скажу більше, в нас таких прізвищ досить багато, але чомусь тільки він став найпопулярнішим, проте якщо я тепер буду переказувати історію, то одного допису буде мало.

Propagandists will tell you all that Bandera collaborated with hitler. And this, of course, will be true, but only half. Because the propagandists forget to supplement this sentence with some interesting facts. First, cooperation was only at the beginning of World War II and only on the condition that Ukraine is liberated from the soviet union and be independent. When it became clear that this agreement had no prospects, "cooperation" was stopped and Ukrainian army soldiers destroyed hitler's troops. I'm not ashamed to write this! I am ready to tell the history of Ukraine and I do not hide the fact that we have some wrong decisions.

Пропагандисти скажуть вам всім, що Бандера співпрацював з гітлером. І це, звичайно, буде правда, але тільки наполовину. Тому що пропагандисти забувають доповнити це речення деякими цікавими фактами. По перше, співпраця була тільки на початку Другої світової війни і тільки на умові того, що Україна буде звільнена від радянського союзу та буде незалежною. Коли стало зрозуміло, що ця домовленість не має жодної перспективи "співпраця" була зупинена, а воїни української армії знищували війська гітлера. Мені не соромно це писати! Я готова розповідати історію України та не приховую те, що в нас є і якісь неправильні рішення.

But russian propagandists and russians themselves forget to mention the fact that the soviet leadership and hitler signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which provides for the division of Europe between the two countries. They also forget to mention that they attacked Poland together, as well as the JOINT Military Parade of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army of the USSR. Despite all this, the soviet union, and then russia itself, took all the credit for the victory solely by forgetting that a bunch of countries and peoples fought for the liberation of Europe. Therefore, if any of your relatives took part in the Second World War and fought against hitler, you must know, he did not fight! Because putin said that this victory is EXCLUSIVELY RUSSIAN.

А от, пропагандисти з росії та самі росіяни забувають говорити і про факт того, що керівництво радянського союзу та гітлер уклали пакт ріббентропа-молотова, котрий передбачає розподіл Європи між цими двома країнами. Забувають вони, також, згадати про те, що на Польщу напали вони разом, а також про СПІЛЬНИЙ військовий парад вермахту та червоної армії ссср. При всьому цьому радянський союз, а потім і сама росія всі заслуги у перемозі привласнили виключно собі забувши про те, що купа країн та народів воювали за визволення Європи. Тому, якщо хтось із ваших рідних приймав участь у Другій світовій війні та воював проти гітлера, знайте, він не воював! Тому що путін сказав, що це перемога ВИКЛЮЧНО РОСІЯН.

Червоно-чорний прапор / Red and black flag

For starters, I'll just show you one photo.

Для початку я вам просто покажу одне фото.

https://www.facebook.com/1790196587720000/photos/a.2402793369793649/4279399385466362

In this photo you can clearly see how the official flag of Ukraine turns red and black when blood falls on it. This flag is by and large the battle flag of Ukraine. But here's what's interesting. The red and black flag was used in the early twentieth century as a symbol of the protest movement in European countries, in Latin America and on the African continent. How do you like this information?

На цьому фото ви можете наочно побачити, як офіційний прапор України перетворюється на червоно-чорний, коли на нього потрапляє кров. Все. Цей прапор по великому рахунку є бойовим прапором України. Але от що цікаво. Червоно-чорний прапор використовувався на початку ХХ століття як символ протестного руху в європейських країнах, у Латинській Америці і на Африканському континенті. Як вам таке?

In Ukraine, he gained "popularity" among young people, in particular in Plast, in the 1920s, when the Polish authorities in Galicia did not tolerate the use of the national blue and yellow flag by Ukrainians.

В Україні він набув "популярності" у молодіжних середовищах, зокрема у «Пласті», у 20-х роках минулого століття, коли польська влада в Галичині не толерувала використання українцями національного синьо-жовтого стягу.

However, the history of the red and black flag as a symbol of the struggle for the freedom of Ukraine is even older. In Ilya Repin's famous painting "Cossacks Write a Letter to the Turkish Sultan" you can see as many as two poles with folded banners. As Repin was advised by the most famous Cossack scholar of Ukraine Dmytro Yavornytsky, it is unlikely that there was a mistake or coincidence, and therefore, the Cossacks really used red and black flags in their campaigns.

Хоча, історія червоно-чорного прапора як символу боротьби за волю України ще давніша. На знаменитій картині Іллі Рєпіна «Козаки пишуть листа турецькому султану» видно аж два древка зі згорнутими полотнищами. Оскільки Рєпіна консультував найвідоміший козакознавець України Дмитро Яворницький, то навряд чи тут мала місце помилка або випадковість, а отже, козаки й справді використовували червоно-чорні прапори у своїх походах.

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Націоналістичний рух в Україні / Nationalist movement in Ukraine

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In fact, it would be easiest to just copy the text from the beginning of this post here and finish. But I will explain in a little more detail, as a resident of Ukraine. Because for some reason foreigners like to believe what is written in some media, and the words of the UKRAINIANS themselves are ignored. I can similarly write that in some countries there is a collapse, the economy is not working, the police are eating children, and words the people of this country that it is not - fake!

Власне, найлегше було б просто скопіювати текст з початку цього допису сюди та й закінчити. Але поясню трішки детальніше, як житель України. Тому, що чомусь іноземці дуже люблять вірити в те, що написано в деяких медіа, а слова САМИХ УКРАЇНЦІВ ігнорують. Я ж можу аналогічно написати, що в якійсь країні крах, економіка не працює, поліція їсть дітей, а на переконання жителів цієї країни казати - фейк!

Yes, we have different nationalist associations in the country. And they always have been. From just always. First of all, they are called to defend our state in case of encroachment on the integrity of our territory. Which most of them did in 2014, as well as 21 days ago. Yes, yes, while you are drinking tea at home and reading this post in Ukraine for 21 days a full-scale war.

Так, у нас є різні націоналістичні об'єднання в країні. І вони були завжди. От просто завжди. В першу чергу вони покликані стати на захист нашої держави у випадку посягання на цілісність нашої території. Що в більшості своїй зробили в 2014 році, а також 21 день назад. Так, так, поки ви п'єте чай у себе вдома та читаєте цей допис українці вже 21 день воюють.

Another task of the so-called nationalists is to support and promote the history of Ukraine, traditions and so on. As well as combating the impact of propaganda on our people. And in general, many people who call themselves nationalists (hey, I'm one of them) do just that. However, everywhere, there are people who discredit this movement.

Ще однією із задач так званих націоналістів є підтримка та просування історії України, традицій і так далі. А також боротьба з впливом пропаганди на наших жителів. І загалом багато людей із тих, хто називає себе націоналістом (агов, я одна з них) роблять саме це. Проте, як і всюди є також люди, котрі дискредитують цей рух.

Let's draw a parallel with anyone.
In the feminist community, there are women and men who fight for women's equal opportunities, and there are those who shout that men should be hated.
There are those in the LGBT community who want equal rights with heterosexuals, and there are those who want much more.
There are dark-skinned people who do business and lead a normal life, and there are those who commit crimes.
There are white people who similarly lead a normal life, and there are skinheads who try to destroy people of other races.
There are ordinary people who believe in G-d, and there are those who kill people because they have a different religion.

Давайте проведемо паралель з будь-ким. В феміністичній спільноті є жінки та чоловіки, котрі боряться за рівні можливості жінок, а є ті, хто кричить, що чоловіків потрібно ненавидіти.
В ЛГБТ спільноті є ті, хто хоче рівних прав з гетеро, а є ті, хто хоче їх набагато більше.
Є афроамериканці, котрі займаються бізнесом та ведуть звичайний спосіб життя, а є ті хто займається бандитизмом.
Є люди білої раси, котрі, аналогічно, ведуть нормальне звичайне життя, а є скінхеди, котрі намагаються знищувати людей інших рас.
Є звичайні люди, котрі вірять в Б-га, а є ті хто вбиває людей за те, що в них інша релігія.

Do you understand what I'm leading to? There are idiots in Ukraine who call themselves nationalists, shout about it the loudest, but at the same time do all sorts of bullshit. There aren't as many of them as it may seem, but they just shout about themselves the most! All. And I say this as a person who knows russian-speaking nationalists, feminist nationalists, and LGBT nationalists. That's unexpected, isn't it?

Розумієте до чого я веду? В Україні є ідіоти, котрі називають себе націоналістами, кричать про це найголосніше, але при цьому вчиняють всіляку фігню. Їх не так багато, як може здатись, але вони просто кричать про себе найактивніше! Все. І це я говорю, як людина, котра знає російськомовних націоналістів, феміністок націоналістів, а також ЛГБТ націоналістів. От неочікувано, правда?

And in one of the following posts, I will tell you about the russian Nazis. It was the Nazis. Because for some reason russians and propagandists themselves do not want to tell such a story of today's russia.

А в одному із наступних дописів я розповім вам про російських нацистів. Саме нацистів. Тому що чомусь таку історію сьогоднішньої росії самі росіяни та пропагандисти розповідати не хочуть.

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Much of Social Media is infested with Russian Trolls spreading disinformation… it’s good that you are posting the Truth.

Thanks! as you can see below, we also have people who can't be proven anything and they are trying to convince everyone that the whole world is lying and russia is good.

Yes. The whole world has been brainwashed by Ras-Putin and Donald Trump.
It’s just disgusting.

People have gone insane. Hoodwinked. Bamboozled by all the fake news and conspiracy theories.

It’s the exact same thing Hitler did.

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Grand Genius Trump and Putin, thank god the world has you tools.

You need to share all these post on Blurt too… https://Blurt.blog
I can give you support there with 1 Million Blurt Power. We need to share the Truth. 🇺🇦 🌻

So, please tell me which tags are best to use for this information on blurt?

Thanks! I will prepare texts to publish them there

You mean #putin ? Why does everyone love Putin ? It’s very strange

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No I mean that you should tag any topic regarding Ukraine of the last 8 years, as Hitler Children.

What exactly are you accusing me of not being proven of? What your friend from Donbass said? Or what the alleged pilot confessed, all by his own, because? What exactly are you saying that I can't be proven anything? And what are you accusing me of accusing the whole world of lying about, and exactly why are you insisting on generalizing Russia as bad or evil or whatever? Your Russophobia is strong, I'd say. Not that I'm entitled to an opinion,

where am I from anyway?(cast your doubts)

Just talk about me, as if anything you say regarding this is an accurate depiction of what happened, which is your repeated refusal to address anything, any real contention, I addressed, where as you?

You insist on this... Adult method, seeking of sympathy for your lack of substance? for your lack of courage to face the facts? instead, deny all you want, make nonsensical accusations and pretend that I'm the one trying to convince the whole world of something, when the only one doing any con is you, with your whitewashed history.

This war happening in Ukraine should please stop. Lives have been lost, the economy is also affected. I feel for Ukrainians.
This oppression is just too severe😭😭😭 for them.

Why won't Putting just let them be.
My heartfelt prayers are with all Ukrainian.
I love you all

You call our military patriots NN but this bullshits!
Here how Real neo naZis looks like!:

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Russian Nazis held a torchlight procession in the Crimea and burned books on the history of Ukraine. The police are inactive.

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no need to post your crap agenda shit. keep look it by your self brain washed golem

The economy, to be honest, is the last issue that worries us. We have children and women suffering.
We have people who miraculously survived the Second World War. I can't imagine how they feel. After all, they are experiencing that horror for the second time.
We will rebuild the country, restore buildings. But the lives of the dead, unfortunately, will not return (
Thank you for your support!

🙏🙏🙏

Great points!
There is one location overflowing with Nazis, and that's the Kremlin.

Thanks! This is 100%!

That’s the absolute Truth.

Why would I be proud of sharing heritage with a country that treated my ancestors like garbage?

Why would I care if the Ukraine fell after all of my family was forced to leave due to extreme poverty?

We certainly didn't blame the Russians when we moved to Canada to end up getting over taxed here too.

I hope the Ukraine falls so we can speak to the attestation of tyranny when we remember it for all the mistakes it has made through history.

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The Shocking truth is exposed here:

Na nothing to see there.. just a peacefull protestor.

Yup, just like What Nazi in The Main Mall in Kiev, the Capital:

Yeah crazy, but idk what to think of it. Was it a sick "joke" from a teenager who didnt know what he was doing? Or indeed was it a real nazi fucking around? imo its hard to make a judgement based on this incident.

Friend of mine visited Ukraine last year and he had a great time... Didnt tell me nothing bout swastika's or any nazi like stuf that he encountered. He def would have told me. Again he had a good time and btw his skin is brown.

"The LED stairs of the “Horodok” shopping mall in Kyiv lit up with a giant swastika for a few minutes on 16 February 2019. The shocking display bewildered shoppers, and after several minutes, security turned off the power of the LED lights. Horodok’s management apologized for the incident and claimed their computers were hacked. On 21 February, Ukraine’s security service opened a criminal probe into the swastika show under p.1 of article 426-1 of Ukraine’s criminal code which prohibits propaganda of Nazi and Communist ideology."

Honestly what does that video actually proves? We can only guess..

Well for one we know what the news will say.

Russia.

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No Nazi in Odessa No Nazi Anywhere

Nothing

Its terrible to see that they vandalize a church and im not even a devoted Christian. Rest of the clips i cant see maybe cause im in Europe.

The last one is Odessa as they're stabbing the victims who they burned and fell. No justice, still. No justice for the Kiev snipper massacre.

just more Russian Propaganda

Yes, we have different nationalist associations in the country. And they always have been. From just always.

It’s a good thing that Ukraine got the attention and support from the world but should’ve gotten the Palestinians get the same support, that what I think…

The whole world should receive such support because in the 21st-century war is not normal.

Exactly!

Except for Donbass, where the Ukrainian government has waged war for 8 years on its own people. They also made it illegal ever since, to protest the war. Its a criminal offense to protest "mobilization" in Donbass. In fact, people in Western Ukraine were protesting FOR war, while it was made illegal to protest against. So know who you're supporting.

Propaganda myth, Russian-paid collaborators and the military have looted these regions! Yes, civilians died there. But it is enough to look at photos of cities that were actually bombed and shelled to understand that this is a complete lie

Yeah complete lie along with Documented War Crimes,just complete fabrication.. What an idiot.

Sounds really shocking, I wish peace be upon Ukraine.

In fact, the title of the post is sarcasm. This is to show that in reality, we have no problems in the country with the so-called "Nazis". I explained by my example and the stories of friends that no one is threatened here.
Thank you for your support! We need it now

Thank you for such an informative post. There is so little known worldwide from which people can conclude fairly what is going on. Be safe.

Thank you too! I try to tell as much as possible to the world about it. While it is possible. Because no one knows what will happen in an hour, in the evening or at night.

This is a damn zombie dude. Who believes that he knows everything better than the people of Ukraine. And it is all the same that from the same Donbas 1,5 million people have moved to live in Ukraine. And a few thousand more in Europe.
I have friends from Donetsk who saw WHICH side the rocket was flying from and it was not Ukrainian territory!

What country are you from?

Why is it illegal to protest against the war in Donbass, in Ukraine?

Who said that?

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No Nazi in Odessa, correct, just Russian Fascists

After you called me a moron, and that I don't think, you're still attempting to kill the messenger because you can't accept the information. It doesn't make a difference where I'm from and where I am, none of that changes the documented evidence.

Russian Troll.

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Is it so hard to answer? This is a very easy question.

If you could explain why or how its otherwise, why don't you? Why pretend that I owe you any kind of answer to your question?

Obviously its a matter of principle. Do you understand what that means? Its entirely without merit, where I am from, or where I am at, as that, again, doesn't change or affect the information, does it?

What does it being easy or hard have anything to do with it, why insist when I've already, not once but twice rebuked your insipid nonsense!? You think it's worth trying, again, what you already failed at twice? Now THREE times and you think you'll get what you want?

How many relevant questions have you avoided?

I could literally tally up the numerous occasions I offered to discuss relevant, and important aspects, like the fact that millions fled to Russia, that the Nazi have a blatant position of power, which they wield over Kiev, as they consistently consolidate more power. The government in Ukraine is far far more corrupt than pre euromaidan and the people are constantly fed Russia as behind everything as they offer no evidence for their accusations. Keep mumbling Russian propaganda as the perpetrators of Kiev sniper massacre and Odessa massacre and the Mariupol massacre, among the numerous disappeared since 2014 and imprisoned and tortured, because Russia is behind everything, those snipers are patriots, the Russians burned the people in Odessa, who were protesting, exactly what who cares..

No mention of how many moved to Russia. By reading what you said, nobody went to Russia even.

I have friends from Donetsk who saw WHICH side the rocket was flying from and it was not Ukrainian territory!

2 June Luhansk airstrike

On 2 June, eight people were killed and more than 20 wounded by a series of explosions hitting the occupied RSA building in Luhansk city.[185] Separatists blamed the incident on a government airstrike, while Ukrainian officials denied this, and claimed that the explosions were caused by a stray surface-to-air missile fired by insurgents.[186] The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) published a report on the next day, stating that based on "limited observation", they believed that the explosion was caused by an airstrike, supporting separatist claims.[187]

A CNN investigation found clear evidence that the attack came from the air and the pattern of the craters suggested use of standard equipment on the Su-25, a ground-attack fighter, and the Su-27 – both combat aircraft operated by Ukraine.[185] Analysis of Radio Liberty also concluded that "Despite Denials, All Evidence For Deadly Explosion Points To Kyiv".[188] CNN believed that it was the first time that civilians had been killed in an attack by the Ukrainian air force during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Donbas.[185] The next day, Luhansk People's Republic declared a three-day mourning in the city.[189]

Displaced population

By early August 2014, at least 730,000 had fled fighting in the Donbas and left for Russia.[611]

This number, much larger than earlier estimates, was given by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). The number of internal refugees rose to 117,000.[611] By the start of September, after a sharp escalation over the course of August, the number of people displaced from Donbas within Ukraine more than doubled to 260,000.[612] The number of temporary asylum seekers and refugee applicants from Ukraine in Russia rose to 121,000.[613] Despite two months of a shaky ceasefire established by the Minsk Protocol, the number of refugees displaced from Donbas in Ukraine escalated sharply to 466,829 in mid November.[614]

By April 2015, the war had caused at least 1.3 million people to become internally displaced within Ukraine.[615] In addition, more than 800,000 Ukrainians had sought asylum, residence permits, or other forms of legal stay in neighbouring countries, with over 659,143 in Russia, 81,100 in Belarus, and thousands more elsewhere.[616][617]

According to another report by the UN OHCHR, over 3 million people continued to live in the Donbas conflict zone as of March 2016.[618] This was said to include 2.7 million who lived in DPR and LPR-controlled areas, and 200,000 in Ukrainian-controlled areas adjacent to the line of contact. In addition, the Ukrainian government was said to have registered a total of 1.6 million internally displaced people within Ukraine who had fled the conflict. Over 1 million were reported to have sought asylum elsewhere,

with most having gone to Russia.[618]

Думаю, якщо і після цієї історії до людей не дійде, то вони просто не хочуть взагалі ні в чому розбиратись. Адже жити за принципом Бе-бе-бе значно простіше :)

ALL countries have ' bad actors'. There are so called 'neo nazis' in US as well. Even then they have different names for themselves and even ideals. None should be shamed for a small group of people and their opposing/crazy views. Overall THE PEOPLE are good and smart enough to know the difference. RESPECT for the great history and information you shared here.

No other country has Neo Nazi parades on the day commemorating an atrocity of despicable proportion for which there's no justice still. Only in Ukraine do neo Nazi parade with impunity in the hundreds, CELEBRATING such an atrocity. Only in Ukraine do neo Nazi hold commemorative marches in memory of Nazi, in the tens of thousands, shouting HH!

To marginalize the extent of their influence and the impunity with which the Fascist Thugs commit all kinds of violent acts vs peaceful people as the police does nothing, and would even arrest the peaceful people instead of the violent Nazi thugs, only enables and aids them even more. To white wash history to the point that you honor the very criminals who are responsible, directly, for the murder of hundreds of thousands, it will only embolden more hate and engender any kind of healing or peace, instead now intolerance is promoted, intolerance to anyone who rightly refutes such atrocious rewrite of history, and intolerance to anyone who is of different ethnicity, and especially towards Russian people.

And in one of the following posts, I will tell you about the russian Nazis. It was the Nazis. Because for some reason russians and propagandists themselves do not want to tell such a story of today's russia.

Great, because when you referred to Bandera the Nazi DickSucker, you said:

Propagandists will tell you all that Bandera collaborated with hitler.

And

"cooperation" was stopped and Ukrainian army soldiers destroyed hitler's troops.

Actually you never said any thing about the Adoration of Nazis among the nationalists or Nazi Germans or Nazi Troops, but after an entire Omission of a Post, where you spread lie after lie, you say:

I will tell you about the russian Nazis. It was the Nazis. Because for some reason russians and propagandists themselves do not want to tell such a story of today's russia.

Because Hitlers troops, and collaborated with Hitler, no natzee nowhere, unless you mean Russian Nazi.

Russian Nazi. Sure, there's even Jewish Nazi, I'm not denying it, but do they have tanks and control of Nations Military?

@tipu curate

"Why can the whole world be proud of its country, history, language, and a Ukrainian does not have such a right? Everyone immediately starts mentioning Bandera"

Hold up.. here in the Netherlands i can't or yes i can but then they would call me a extreme right, racist, nazi so i feel you.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/us-ukraine-vote-against-anti-nazism-unga-resolution

I find this weird do... why would they vote against?

The same nationalists made it illegal to protest war, if you were for Peace in Donbass you'd go to jail, and to this day, protesting against mobilization is illegal. I asked @scrodinger this numerous times and never even acknowledged it. The same person wants to tell everyone that there's no Nazi in Ukraine and especially not in powerful positions, like the police and military.

@markush Many European countries did not support such an international document, because it is absolutely natural that Nazism and similar concepts are purely subjective concepts. That is, who is considered a Nazi, who is called a fascist, as a rule, depends on the point of view of the speaker.

And why, in this case, the point of view of one expert should prevail under the law over the point of view of another and be enshrined in international law?

Also, introducing into international law any ban on the active discussion of such ideas will in fact be a ban on historical research in this area.

It's like passing a law to ban LGBT people. I can say that you are gay and they will put you in jail. Similarly, I could say that you are a Nazi. Purely technically, such documents add a lot of problems.

Also, introducing into international law any ban on the active discussion of such ideas will in fact be a ban on historical research in this area.

That's absurd to suggest that banning Glorification of Nazi will be a ban on historical research, as if we will just erase anything and everything to do with it? How absurd are you willing to denigrate this into? Despicable.

And why, in this case, the point of view of one expert should prevail under the law over the point of view of another and be enshrined in international law?

Because its a matter of consensus then is it not? If it were a legal issue and a matter of subjective opinion, it obviously goes to reason that a consensus should be achieved, and at this, we see the ones who are unwilling to join the overwhelming majority. So its sophistry, and not substantive critical thinking. Just bloviate about banning Nazi.

because it is absolutely natural that Nazism and similar concepts are purely subjective concepts. That is, who is considered a Nazi, who is called a fascist, as a rule, depends on the point of view of the speaker.

You call anyone a Terrorist? A communist? A Russian Agent? A separatist? A traitor?

How do you allow your own government to label anyone as they wish, as Terrorists, Federalist, AntiFascist, Communist, and especially Russian Agent, when you consider Nazi, Fascism, as subjective?

Oh, it is very interesting that putin forbade condemning stalin's totalitarian regime. Or maybe you think that stalin is also good?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vladimir-putin-bans-comparisons-between-soviets-and-nazi-germany-in-second-world-war-wtdtw6g9n

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

I'm no fan of dictators and the article says:

Putin signed off today on the legislation, which prohibits the publication of material that equates the “aims and decisions” of the Soviet leadership and military commanders with those of Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

You do realize it had to get voted on. You know democracy and all.... And it doesn't say anything about not being critical of Stalin, but that you can't "equate" one with the other. Its nothing like no communists.

The memorandum was about stalinism and the fact that this regime killed people like hitler.
Are you not a supporter of dictators? But I see that you like utin.
Do you even know how people live in russia?

BTW, by the language you used, you could technically say they killed people like Hitler but if you don't specify why or for what end, technically you might squeeze by. They killed people like Hitler did [by fighting].

stalinism killed ordinary people throughout the soviet era, not just during World War II. but you will also ignore this fact and say that all those killed were nazis, right?

I watch bald and bankrupt btw. You would probably have a conniption fit as he interviews people and they can't shut up about how great and good communism was. You'll never see a babushka light up more than when they recall the prosperity and dignity they once knew.

You on the other hand, think that Hitler, Nazis, are a matter of opinion, no need to condemn them and their ideology and their methods, and especially their acts, some people think they were great. Why ban Nazi, they just add all this value to the historical academic, dialogue, thing stuff that makes them so valuable....

The memorandum was about stalinism and the fact that this regime killed people like hitler.

You mean the Nazi. Remember you're talking about Russia now, so no need for Hitler invocations. The memorandum is

Putin signed off today on the legislation, which prohibits the publication of material that equates the “aims and decisions” of the Soviet leadership and military commanders with those of Nazi Germany during the Second World War.

Do the Russians have a war like Ukraine has in Donbass? Does the Russian government still not prosecuted the people responsible for a sniper massacre, numerous war crimes, and a mass slaughter in Odessa? Does the government in Russia make its own citizens refugees of Ukraine? Or its only Ukraine who seemingly doesn't have any, any freedom? Can you be a communist there?

in russia people are being beaten for peaceful rallies, there is no freedom of speech at all, there are imprisoned people for reposts, social networks are banned, wikipedia is blocked (which you like to refer to so much). there the people justify the husband who cut off his wife's hands, there children with cancer are forced to stand in the shape of the letter Z in the cold.
after all this, do you believe in russian propaganda that they came to save Ukrainians?

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It's like passing a law to ban LGBT people. I can say that you are gay and they will put you in jail. Similarly, I could say that you are a Nazi. Purely technically, such documents add a lot of problems.

Except if you're a communist, then its ok to ban communists. Or separatists. Or just call em terrorists, you know, like your Fascist Nazi Hitler Dick loving Racist insufferable "government" does.

Its not a ban on freedom of speech, its a ban on the GLORIFICATION of such things. No different than a ban on child porn.

Many European countries did not support such an international document, because it is absolutely natural that Nazism and similar concepts are purely subjective concepts. That is, who is considered a Nazi, who is called a fascist, as a rule, depends on the point of view of the speaker.

The Nuremberg Trials, the guilty, were Nazi.

The Assembly then adopted the draft resolution, "Combatting glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism, and other practices that contribute to fuelling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia, and related intolerance."

The UNGA expressed deep concern about the glorification of the Nazi movement, neo-Nazism, and former members of the Waffen SS organization - the military branch of the Nazi party - including the erection of monuments and memorials, holding public demonstrations to glorify the Nazi past, movement, or neo-Nazism.

The Assembly also expressed its disapproval of any attempts to glorify those who fought against the anti-Hitler coalition, collaborated with the Nazi movement, and committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.

There is absolutely nothing subjective about glorifying Nazi. We know who the Nazi were, we know what the Nazi wore and what the Nazi thought, none of that is subjective, because we have the documented evidence. War Crimes, Crimes against humanity, not Subjective either. Its very easy to condemn any and all such inclination and its abhorrent to suggest that glorification of such things, or the figures themselves or their crimes, are Subjective, are a matter of opinion, as if someone being a Nazi is up for debate, as if we hadn't the Nuremberg Trials, as if its not established and understood.

More! More words "Nazi" in each sentence!

Does that upset you? That I don't refer to Nazi as Hitler's troops?

You use this word in almost every sentence. I'm a copywriter and these repetitions cut my eyes off. I only want the text to be more logical and uncluttered)

I haven't used it excessively by any means, but by your standards where you literally dedicated an entire post and the only two times you mention it is at the end, where it had nothing to do with Ukrainian Nationalist, you know, the Bandera Nazi flag waving kind.

R3post from below, for relevance.

And in one of the following posts, I will tell you about the russian Nazis. It was the Nazis. Because for some reason russians and propagandists themselves do not want to tell such a story of today's russia.

Great, because when you referred to Bandera the Nazi DickSucker, you said:

Propagandists will tell you all that Bandera collaborated with hitler.

And

"cooperation" was stopped and Ukrainian army soldiers destroyed hitler's troops.

Actually you never said any thing about the Adoration of Nazis among the nationalists or Nazi Germans or Nazi Troops, but after an entire Omission of a Post, where you spread lie after lie, you say:

I will tell you about the russian Nazis. It was the Nazis. Because for some reason russians and propagandists themselves do not want to tell such a story of today's russia.

Because Hitlers troops, and collaborated with Hitler, no natzee nowhere, unless you mean Russian Nazi.

Russian Nazi. Sure, there's even Jewish Nazi, I'm not denying it, but do they have tanks and control of Nations Military?

Oh, I'm sorry that you have time to write 100 comments in a peaceful city, and I'm running to the bomb shelter and after to home and so slowly writing an article.

Yeah, snark is your go to, I'm sorry too that you go through so much anguish to self censor and instead of saying Nazi, four letters, you'd much rather say Hitler's Troops, or With Hitler, except for when its time to talk about Nazi, then its Russian Nazi. Yes Nazi.

It's like passing a law to ban LGBT people. I can say that you are gay and they will put you in jail. Similarly, I could say that you are a Nazi. Purely technically, such documents add a lot of problems.

It explicitly states its against Discrimination. In effect, you can't GLORIFY such things, and there's no argument against it, to claim that they want to ban Nazi is ridiculous. It aims to ban glorification of Nazi. You can identify as you wish, and just as you just can't promote or Glorify any number of obscene things, including terrorism, you shouldn't be allowed to promote or glorify such hateful things as Nazism, and if you think otherwise, well you better have a good reason, or pound dirt, because nobody should tolerate such intolerance. Nobody wants to ban Persons. Your fascists have banned NUMEROUS things, even Nazi Symbolism, but conveniently choose never to enforce it though.

It's like passing a law to ban LGBT people. I can say that you are gay and they will put you in jail. Similarly, I could say that you are a Nazi. Purely technically, such documents add a lot of problems.

It explicitly states its against Discrimination. In effect, you can't GLORIFY such things, and there's no argument against it, to claim that they want to ban Nazi is ridiculous. It aims to ban glorification of Nazi. You can identify as you wish, and just as you just can't promote or Glorify any number of obscene things, including terrorism, you shouldn't be allowed to promote or glorify such hateful things as Nazism, and if you think otherwise, well you better have a good reason, or pound dirt, because nobody should tolerate such intolerance. Nobody wants to ban Persons. Your fascists have banned NUMEROUS things, even Nazi Symbolism, but conveniently choose never to enforce it though.

Just try and say anything against the war in Donbass, or call for peace..

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Excellent points and thank you for writing this.

It's sometimes so frustrating to find yourself repeating to someone that there are Nazis and extreme right wing members everywhere. In every country. It should be obvious. But are they leading the country, that's a whole different thing.

And it also should be obvious that there are people and dictators from other countries who do false claims and use it to their advantage because people sometimes seem to believe anything. Even if they are shown multiple times from independent sources what is the truth.

And it's unbelievable that there are people who think that even if the false claims were to be true, it's okay, in their minds, to go and kill thousands of innocent people and start a war. It's never okay.

Also it's unbelievable to know that there are obnoxious people who still continue to support war criminals like this, even when they know their crimes.

I really hope this opens the eyes of at least few people. The thing that this is all Putins fault. And the people close to him, who support him. Putin is a dictator and a mass murderer and should be stopped.

I hope you're alright and safe.

what else to expect from the prokremlin bot ... let's start posting telecasts of North Korea, you miserable sucker.

Yeah I'm a miserable sucker for posting what people in Donbass are saying, while you call them Terrorists for resisting a Militant Coup and you condone the brutality of war on them, and denying their own side of the story, because what they say is no different from telecasts from North Korea.

That you twist the meaning inside out, in the style of your propaganda

  1. you post staged TV spots of Russian TV, so you are a sucker

  2. I call Russian invaders terrorists

  3. I really sympathize with our fellow citizens, even those who fell under the influence of the Kremlin propaganda machine! But not who take weapon and stabbed Ukraine...

Its ok for Kiev Nazi regime to declare war against Donbass for 8 years.

And it's unbelievable that there are people who think that even if the false claims were to be true, it's okay, in their minds, to go and kill thousands of innocent people and start a war. It's never okay.

Its never ok to Start a war is it..

Putin: "I asked and I got a 140% support from my people for this war ...I mean rescue operation."

Keep spinning the same Western Propaganda that 12000 killed by the "Ukrainian" "Government", are all separatist terrorists who deserve to be murdered, and keep making the people of Donbass from the victims of this war, to the aggressors, especially when protesting against the war in Ukraine means guaranteed Jail for who knows how long, while you ridicule Russia for what exactly?

I really hope this opens the eyes of at least few people. The thing that this is all Putins fault. And the people close to him, who support him. Putin is a dictator and a mass murderer and should be stopped.

Yup, Putin bad, that explains everything. Keep up the regurgitated Western Propaganda, where 8 years of war is ok, but wanting to finish it, isn't.

You're boring.

And that still doesn't change the fact that you're ok with an 8 year war and don't even consider those 8 years as war. Appalling and utterly shameful.

As of May 2017, the official investigation is still in progress and criticized by Ukrainian human-rights groups and international bodies for lack of progress and failure to investigate key evidence. At least one case has been taken to European Court of Human Rights by a mother whose son has died in the clashes.[98]

UN Human Rights office states in its 2016 report:

criminal prosecutions ... appear to have been initiated in a partial fashion. Only activists from the 'pro-federalism' camp have been prosecuted so far, while the majority of victims were supporters of 'pro-federalism' movement... The investigations into the violence have been affected by systemic institutional deficiencies and characterized by procedural irregularities, which appear to indicate an unwillingness to genuinely investigate and prosecute those responsible.[55]

Pro-Maidan activist Sergei Khodiak is officially accused of murder, but he is not under arrest.[58] He was released after two days in custody due to the pressure of other Euromaidan activists on the court. Although the pre-trial investigation was completed in August 2015, the trial has not yet started (as of May 2016).[16][55] None of Euromaidan activists was under arrest as of March 2016,[99] and May 2017.[100] At the same time, around dozen of anti-Maidan supporters have been held in custody for at least two years. Some of them launched a hunger strike.[16][99] An anti-Maidan activist Igor Astakhov died after two years in custody from a heart failure[citation needed] Three years after the events, five anti-Maidan supporters remain in custody.[100]

A Euromaidan activist Vsevolod Goncharevskii is accused in beating people who jumped out of the windows of the House of Trade Unions. He was detained in August 2014, but the court decided to release him one month later. In 2015 the court resumed investigation against him, but in October 2016 Goncharevskii was still free and participated in military operations against separatists.[101][102]

In September 2017, the Chornomorsk town court of Odessa Oblast concluded that all 19 people accused of participation in the clashes on Hretska ploshcha, are not guilty. The court criticized the prosecution for being biased against the anti-Maidan activists and for low quality of investigation.[103][104] Five anti-Maidan activists who had remained in custody for 3.5 years, were ordered to be released. However, two of them were immediately arrested again by SBU on new charges related to a peaceful anti-Maidan motor rally in March 2014.[103]

Now you are really boring.

Yeah you care so much about this that Verifiable Information, is not what you care for. Instead, you're literally condoning the whitewash of Stephan Bandera and the extent of the power of fascist in Ukraine where the information above exposes the impunity which they hold, that is Really Boring to you, people who should be in prison for murder, are walking freely with impunity from justice, those Victims don't deserve justice, while the ones who survived the fascist attacks in Odessa are still in jail, without trial. You are not concerned at all about the disparity evident above, that's what you consider really boring.

Why can the whole world be proud of its country, history, language, and a Ukrainian does not have such a right? Everyone immediately starts mentioning Bandera, the red and black flag, evil nationalists who eat russian-speaking children, oppressing russian-speaking people in Ukraine, some "punitive battalions" catching these russian-speaking people and forcing them to dig subways in Lviv(and there is no metro in Lviv!), etc. I can't understand that. And now let's go into more detail about everything. I will describe this with the example of my life and the stories of the people around me.

Should Americans force Spanish Speaking people to speak English?

Article 10

The state language of Ukraine is the Ukrainian language.

The State ensures the comprehensive development and functioning of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of social life throughout the entire territory of Ukraine.

In Ukraine, the free development, use and protection of Russian, and other languages of national minorities of Ukraine, is guaranteed.

The State promotes the learning of languages of international communication.

The use of languages in Ukraine is guaranteed by the Constitution of Ukraine and is determined by law.

@baah can you stop copying Wikipedia and the same texts here? spam on your page.
I had enough of the fact that in the words of a russian pilot about the bombing of a high-rise building in Kharkiv, you said it was a fake.
It shows very well what kind of person you are. You have only one truth and that is that russia is a very wonderful and good country, and everyone else is lying.
I'm sure, even if some little kid says that a russian soldier cut off her hand, you'll say it's a fake too.
So go live in russia I see it for you paradise.
The Hague has already handed down a russian verdict accusing it of genocide against the Ukrainian people.
And I will answer the question of how I have the Internet now. I live in Odesa and the russian nazis did not come here. And even in Kyiv, there is the Internet because our services try to restore the connection as soon as possible.
We don't have nazis, we just have a whole country where everyone is fighting for their home. If you can't figure it out, I feel sorry for you.
I have a feeling that during World War II you would convince everyone that hitler is good. Why does the whole world see what is really happening in Ukraine and you do not?
Although, of course, you will start copying the same texts in answer.

That dude is completely brainwashed by Putin. He is too far gone.

Putin is who reported the numerous war crimes committed in Donbass by the Ukrainian Government and their mercenaries. Putin compiled the reports or paid for them. Putin edited and or wrote the Wikipedia articles which document war crimes committed by the Ukrainian government and their mercenaries.

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